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Yeah I think a fix for the 840 nonEVO was in one of the two threads where 840 EVO was being discussed. An update via Samsung Magician. They've actually went up in node size? Ok biggrin.gif

 

Yeah, they had to go back to the larger size because obviously, the 19nm TLC is a failure.

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Yeah, they had to go back to the larger size because obviously, the 19nm TLC is a failure.

Not even close behind the reason for 40nm. 3d NAND doesn't require the same half pitch as planar NAND to fit the same bits per sq/cm.
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Not even close behind the reason for 40nm. 3d NAND doesn't require the same half pitch as planar NAND to fit the same bits per sq/cm.

 

Ok thanks for the correction.

 

Could you maybe have left out, "Not even close behind the reason for 40nm"? It's rubbing me the wrong way...

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post #14 of 36
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Ok thanks for the correction.

Could you maybe have left out, "Not even close behind the reason for 40nm"? It's rubbing me the wrong way...

Anandtech usually has pretty good articles on NAND, how it works and it's technology progression over the years. Pretty sure the explanation for stepping back half pitch dimensions is on one of them. Anand or this site: http://thememoryguy.com/category/nand-flash/
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Sorry for coming in late but i thought it was only the 840 EVO that had this problem.

I have a standard 840 and Samsung magicien has never had a "fix" for me.

You guys sure the standard 840 had this problem to ?
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Sorry for coming in late but i thought it was only the 840 EVO that had this problem.

I have a standard 840 and Samsung magicien has never had a "fix" for me.

You guys sure the standard 840 had this problem to ?

 

I'm not 100% sure. I'm only going by what others reported when the 840 EVO's problem became a big deal everywhere on the internet. I remember a huge amount of complaints that the 840 Series has the same problem but Samsung refused to acknowledge it and never did anything about it. I remember seeing people showing quotes from Samsung saying that the 840 Series doesn't have this problem, even though everyone was proving that it does. So, I don't know.

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Sorry for coming in late but i thought it was only the 840 EVO that had this problem.

I have a standard 840 and Samsung magicien has never had a "fix" for me.

You guys sure the standard 840 had this problem to ?

See here.
Edited by TELVM - 7/27/16 at 1:26pm
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I'm not 100% sure. I'm only going by what others reported when the 840 EVO's problem became a big deal everywhere on the internet. I remember a huge amount of complaints that the 840 Series has the same problem but Samsung refused to acknowledge it and never did anything about it. I remember seeing people showing quotes from Samsung saying that the 840 Series doesn't have this problem, even though everyone was proving that it does. So, I don't know.

Well if you dont know then i dont know either biggrin.gif
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See here.

I got out of it that we dont know for sure ?
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Well if you dont know then i dont know either biggrin.gif
I got out of it that we dont know for sure ?

 

How did you get that out of it? It says that it was definitely an issue and has finally been addressed. So, my aging memory was right: the 840 Series has the same problem and needs to be addressed by installing that new firmware.

 

Of course, by now, how many 840 Series owners remain in this world? Not many? lol Samsung is a little bit late on this. Or maybe it just took them a lot longer to figure out how to fix it. I don't know. I just know that I was right, that the 840 Series did indeed have the same problem but Samsung never addressed it (until now, finally).

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How did you get that out of it? It says that it was definitely an issue and has finally been addressed. So, my aging memory was right: the 840 Series has the same problem and needs to be addressed by installing that new firmware.

Of course, by now, how many 840 Series owners remain in this world? Not many? lol Samsung is a little bit late on this. Or maybe it just took them a lot longer to figure out how to fix it. I don't know. I just know that I was right, that the 840 Series did indeed have the same problem but Samsung never addressed it (until now, finally).

I got that by you saying "i'm not 100% sure" wink.gif
Few pages back is see it duscussed but not confirmed.

Or
Maybe i just cant read.....

I knew of this problem with 840 EVO but not the standard 840.
Mine seems to be working ok still.
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