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And next year AMD is going to be playing around with 7nm
next year they will try to keep 14nm Vega from getting smashed by the entire Nvidia high end line-up

granted they can do that the way they always did it - with a cheap price to increase p/p
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What i find so strange (and this happened with previous generation cards to) is that people say "it only OC's for 3,5% !!

How come that everytime when we talk about OC on AMD cards people look at base clock out of the box including max boost speed and how much you can OC that instead of looking at reference base clock without boost speed like everyone does with Nvidia.

Basicly everyone says a 980ti can OC for 30~40%, because here they do look at reference base clock without boost.

Yet my 980ti boost to 1392mhz out of the box and can only OC to 1450mhz.

Now people do this with 1070/1080 to but still AMD overclocks can only be calculated by out of the box max boost speed ? (Factory OC included wich you cant include when its a Nvidia card)

A 1080 can boost to like 1890mhz stock yet we look at OC's from 1733 or even the base of 1600mhz, on average they run 2050mhz overclocked.

1890mhz to 2050mhz is an amazing overclock all of the sudden ?

Its only like 7~8%


RX480 base clock is 1120mhz so why dont we calculate OC percentages based on that like everyone does with Nvidia cards ? ( not that i think you should, should look at max boost clock IMO)

Boost out of box is 1266mhz.

1266mhz to 1390mhz is how many % ?

More then the 7~8% Nvidia cards do !

By these wierd standards people are using by default AMD cards will always be poor overclockers.

Offcourse everyone will say i am wrong but when i use the same method with Nvidia cards people say i am wrong to. (and wrong again when i use Nvidia so called method on AMD cards)

Why cant OC percentages be calculated the same way no matter if its Nvidia or AMD ?

I think it is because of the way Nvidia advertises their cards compared to AMD - Nvidia advertises a min boost speed, while AMD advertises a max boost speed. There's no way of knowing, without actually using the card, what speed a given Nvidia card is going to boost to, so there's really no way to compare an overclock to anything other than the listed boost clock speed. If AMD only advertised the base clock and then let the card run higher on its own, you'd have the same situation, but since AMD lists a max boost instead of a min boost like Nvidia there is really no way to compare them.

Then you complicate that by having retailers often just posting the AMD "boost" clock speed. Look at Newegg, for example, for lots of cards the only speed listed is 1266.
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

What i find so strange (and this happened with previous generation cards to) is that people say "it only OC's for 3,5% !!

How come that everytime when we talk about OC on AMD cards people look at base clock out of the box including max boost speed and how much you can OC that instead of looking at reference base clock without boost speed like everyone does with Nvidia.

Basicly everyone says a 980ti can OC for 30~40%, because here they do look at reference base clock without boost.
Yet my 980ti boost to 1392mhz out of the box and can only OC to 1450mhz.
Now people do this with 1070/1080 to but still AMD overclocks can only be calculated by out of the box max boost speed ? (Factory OC included wich you cant include when its a Nvidia card)
A 1080 can boost to like 1890mhz stock yet we look at OC's from 1733 or even the base of 1600mhz, on average they run 2050mhz overclocked.
1890mhz to 2050mhz is an amazing overclock all of the sudden ?
Its only like 7~8%


RX480 base clock is 1120mhz so why dont we calculate OC percentages based on that like everyone does with Nvidia cards ? ( not that i think you should, should look at max boost clock IMO)
Boost out of box is 1266mhz.
1266mhz to 1390mhz is how many % ?
More then the 7~8% Nvidia cards do !

By these wierd standards people are using by default AMD cards will always be poor overclockers.

Offcourse everyone will say i am wrong but when i use the same method with Nvidia cards people say i am wrong to. (and wrong again when i use Nvidia so called method on AMD cards)
Why cant OC percentages be calculated the same way no matter if its Nvidia or AMD ?
Nah your only here to troll/derail etc etc.

Remember the DPC latency thread where you refused to put a screenshot up of your so called card that so called didnt have any stutters or what so ever (yes you said it spiked up to 500us but never any proof)
Then as soon as Nvidia came out with a hotfix you had to post a screenshot..... double standards much ?

Why arent you a member of the 1080club yet ?
Hard time proofing you actually have one ?

Actually if we want to be technically correct the OC boost is the starting value all the way to the max it can achieve. Since the Boost you get out of the box is still an auto OC it should be included in the calculation of OC potential. Going by your numbers, the following is then true:

1080: Base clocks 1600mhz. Maximum potential 2050mhz. That is an increase of 450mhz. Thats a 28% OC.
480: Base clocks are 1120mhz. Maximum potential (so far) 1390mhz. That is an increase of 270mhz. Thats a 24% OC.

End result? They both OC quite similarly.
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Looks like Polaris was aimed to console first with a clock ~900Mhz in order to offer a good efficiency.
For desktop, Polaris is pushed way too high and performs bad compared to Pascal.
The 1080FE consumes less power but totally stomps Polaris. A really deceptive chip for sure, I was wondering way better from Polaris.
2.8X performance efficiency versus 2X0 serie is a joke and RX 480 is really far from it. A waste.
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whatever you and you ilk wanna continue to believe, Farih thumb.gif

no skin off my back thumb.gif

The issue with you is that you only had around a 400 post count up until 2 or so months ago and you have been a member since 2014. Then all of a sudden once these new cards came out for both camps your post count soars(nothing actually wrong with this), you have also done nothing but bash AMD every single chance you could get and in every single AMD thread without adding anything to the discussion most of the time. Then in the Nividia threads when something bad happens you pretty much gloss over it without bashing it constantly throughout the thread like you do with AMD, while praising Nividia up and down constantly. This will give people the illusion that you're a major Nividia fanboy/troll/shill. This is just my opinion on what I have seen and read over the past 2 months.
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If it was practical for Polaris to be clocked higher, it would have been clocked higher from the get go. The only issue with reference cards was the mediocre cooling and the unusually high PCI-E slot current draw, nothing that was going to make a huge difference in clock potential.

These results are not surprising.
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next year they will try to keep 14nm Vega from getting smashed by the entire Nvidia high end line-up

A premature statement.

By the time Vega shows up there is no telling how Globalfoundries' 14nm process will have matured from what we see with today's Polaris 10.
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Since the Boost you get out of the box is still an auto OC it should be included in the calculation of OC potential.

Vehemently disagree.
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The issue with you is that you only had around a 400 post count up until 2 or so months ago and you have been a member since 2014. Then all of a sudden once these new cards came out for both camps your post count soars(nothing actually wrong with this), you have also done nothing but bash AMD every single chance you could get and in every single AMD thread without adding anything to the discussion most of the time. Then in the Nividia threads when something bad happens you pretty much gloss over it without bashing it constantly throughout the thread like you do with AMD, while praising Nividia up and down constantly. This will give people the illusion that you're a major Nividia fanboy/troll/shill. This is just my opinion on what I have seen and read over the past 2 months.
I just happen to think Nvidia is better than AMD atm, thats all, m8
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I just happen to think Nvidia is better than AMD atm, thats all, m8
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This is such a subjective statement. Better at what? High-end performance? Absolutely. Mid-range around $200-240? No. For the moment, AMD has that porton of the market locked up.

The funny part? That $200-250 segment makes a lot more money due to higher volume sales. If anything, Nvidia needs to release a sub $200 product soon, or they will lose some of their marketshare.
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Mid-range around $200-240? No. For the moment, AMD has that porton of the market locked up.
1060 disagress with you

and custom 8GB 480s dont even fit strictly into the $250 bracket, they all cost more

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If anything, Nvidia needs to release a sub $200 product soon
they will, though probably after RX470 (which still isnt out yet which means AMD doesnt have anything there either)
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I just happen to think Nvidia is better than AMD atm, thats all, m8
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There is nothing wrong with thinking that they are better, but do you really need to bash one side constantly in every thread multiple times?
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