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The guy 2 posts above me was bragging about a FuryX beating 1070 by 15% with Vulkan.
Correction: I was being modest by averaging the results and not cherrypicking the 2K instance at 26%.

Edited by mtcn77 - 7/28/16 at 5:57am
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haters gona hate. Reason this card sold so well is because it's a solid 30% faster then 980ti. If you can't get one gota justify it somehow with some research and youtube vids. Don't forget to cherry pick the benchmarks either.

Well, the FE models are really only 15% faster at best when you consider overclocks everyone should be running, or at least people here are running. 980Ti runs 1500MHz all day long easy, 1080 FE throttles to 1650 no matter what you set after a few minutes.

I still think it is pretty good that the new card is still a bit faster even with a few less cores and a big chunk less back-end resources. But doesnt change the fact that the FE models a lot of fanboys bought are really only 15% faster. It is kinda sad really that people ran out immediately to spend so much money on such sucky versions of the cards.

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So basically on same tflops there is no change in performance, i.e. the architecture has the same tflop/fps performance as its predecessor? When has that happened before?

Ill have to watch the whole video to be sure, but I dont think the cards were actually tested at the same TFlop level like is claimed. Notice how the graphs are just at the same MHz speed? That doesnt mean equal TFLops since the 980Ti has more cores it also has more flops at an identical speed. So it looks like the 980Ti actually had an advantage. Edit: never mind, I see the graph with identical flops now.
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Well this confirms my suspicions regarding Pascal, Nvidia pushed it to stupid high clocks just to be competitive against the previous architecture and make it look more impressive than it actually is.
 
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The guy 2 posts above me was bragging about a FuryX beating 1070 by 15% with Vulkan.
Correction: I was being modest by averaging the results and not cherrypicking the 2K instance at 26%.

But Fiji is GCN1.3, not VLIW4 thumb.gif

Whatever makes you feel better supporting AMD.
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Well this confirms my suspicions regarding Pascal, Nvidia pushed it to stupid high clocks just to be competitive against the previous architecture and make it look more impressive than it actually is.

maybe that's why reviewers went back to using stock 980ti instead of Zotac AMP Extremes and stuff.
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But Fiji is GCN1.3, not VLIW4 thumb.gif

Whatever makes you feel better supporting AMD.
What is vliw4? You're not making any sense...
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it is pretty clear now that volta will have some form of smart tricks to deal with Async compute, it is push back to get Async fix.

Maxwell being able to do amazing OCing in 28nm, shows that there are hidden potential if Nvidia engineer rework the architecture. And they done it on pascal and work much better than they want. Push back volta, get the Async fix, release Pascal as stop gap product until Volta is ready.

IMO what AMD need is to re-look at their Hawaii Architecture, what they have done on that thing to be soo powerful at their time, it was a smaller chip that destroy Kepler.We all know that Hawaii have too much memory bandwidth & ROP. Had AMD release a bigger shader count hawaii, Kepler GK110 would not even have a chance at all. Power usage problem? All GCN need is to drop clock speed down by 50-100MHz and they will be much more efficient (see Fury nano example, or 7790 vs 260x with 7790 is a under-clock efficient thing)

As for Tonga? it has 6 memory controller, but it never get use. It clearly is a failure. Fury/Fury X? an expensive failure as well. We dont need HBM for it yet.
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1 Maxwell CUDA = 1.5 SP, Pascal CUDA = 2 SP.

Unless you want to do a clock for clock.

Here is the thing though, when we look at GTX 1060 vs RX 480, the 480 has 80% more shader cores but trades blows with the 1060 yes, but the 1060 has a major clock speed advantage (about 50%). There are other differences in that RX 480 has more TMUs, but less ROPs too but that starts to get too complicated in comparison so if we focus on just the clock speed and core differences, the Pascal arch really only has something like a 30% advantage over Polaris in the only comparison test we have so far.
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The guy 2 posts above me was bragging about a FuryX beating 1070 by 15% with Vulkan.
Correction: I was being modest by averaging the results and not cherrypicking the 2K instance at 26%.

But Fiji is GCN1.3, not VLIW4 thumb.gif

Whatever makes you feel better supporting AMD.

Congratulations, you realised the Fury line aren't the 6xxx line.

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The guy 2 posts above me was bragging about a FuryX beating 1070 by 15% with Vulkan.
Correction: I was being modest by averaging the results and not cherrypicking the 2K instance at 26%.



But Fiji is GCN1.3, not VLIW4 thumb.gif


Whatever makes you feel better supporting AMD.
Congratulations, you realised the Fury line aren't the 6xxx line.

Thanks thumb.gif
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