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http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/amd-vs-nvidia-low-level-api-performance-what-exactly-is-going-on/

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async is overrated and AMD gains come from DX12/Vulkan fixing its DX11/OpenGL performance

they couldnt fix it themselves so they had to wait for new API to get it fixed redface.gif
nope
I never said anything about async, although AMD is still superior there. If you must know, I was mainly referring to unlimited resource binding, in addition to full heap for all unordered access views.
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Well, he regards Doom's Asynchronous Shaders equivalent to the premption of Time Spy, so that should give you an idea of the weight of his opinion.
its more weight then any poster in this thread wink.gif

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I never said anything about async,
its the only thing AMD has left as far as hw advantages go

and it turns out it isnt much of an advantage
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its the only thing AMD has left as far as hw advantages go

and it turns out it isnt much of an advantage
I don't know what's bigger. Your mouth or your ignorance. Gonna copy paste this from another thread...;

AMD is a full tier higher in resource binding, is a full tier higher in supporting UAVs across all stages, is a full tier higher in resource heap, and supports stencil reference value from pixel shader while nVidia's cards don't. In fact, when you look at Microsoft's WARP12, with 12_1 as the feature level, nVidia fails in 5 of the 11 required features. AMD fails in three of them only. From that perspective, AMD is closer to FL12_1 than nVidia is. In fact, conservative rasterization on nVidia hardware is actually tier 2 compared to the required tier 3 to fully comply to the FL12_1 spec, meaning, they marketed supporting FL12_1 based on only supporting one from the full list; rasterizer-ordered views. Even worse, GCN 1.0 is closer to full FL12_1 support than Pascal. GCN 1.0 is missing 4 features for full FL12_1 support, while Pascal is missing 5.

And remember. AMD supported FL11_1 since GCN 1.0, as in, 2011. Do you know why Maxwell 1 released in 2014 was still FL11_0? Because they only had Tier 2 for the UAVs across all stages feature. And guess what. Pascal STILL does not fully support FL11_1, and yet, nVidia claims FL12_1 support. So yes. Even GCN 1.0 can outshine Pascal due to the lower tier of nVidia's UAV support. nVidia is behind and that's a fact.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1605899/various-futuremark-releases-3dmark-time-spy-directx-12-benchmark/680_20#post_25364885

Don't believe me. Look it up, if you have the balls to see the truth.
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I still feel more comfortable going with 8GB at least, since there's no guarantee that this feature will be used at all.
And the hardware still lacks the most important features that allow DX12 to flourish on it. Which means in a year or two, what happened to the 700 series will happen to the 1060/1070/1080 as well.

They might be fast right now, but they're a waste of money on the long term. You're better off buying a Fury card.

While I agree with your statement, this is not what this thread is about. We're comparing the 980ti with a 1080 clock for clock. The fact that you might be right doesn't take away from the fact that you're going off topic just to prove your point.
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its more weight then any poster in this thread wink.gif
its the only thing AMD has left as far as hw advantages go

and it turns out it isnt much of an advantage
I'm sorry, but I will have to call you out on your bias in cherrypicking results that best suit your case.
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While I agree with your statement, this is not what this thread is about. We're comparing the 980ti with a 1080 clock for clock. The fact that you might be right doesn't take away from the fact that you're going off topic just to prove your point.
I guess. But there's not much to talk about really. A lot of us were saying (including me) that Pascal would be a node shrinked Maxwell 2 with fixed async. Some didn't believe, some did. Now the proof is in the pudding.

What else is there to talk about...? Should you get a 980 Ti rather than a 1080..? Meh. I wouldn't get either of them. The 980 Ti is a better deal at a cheap price and that's it.
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You seem rather certain that Vega won't be able to finish the job Fury X started with twice the bandwidth and possibly 4 times the vram.

Fury X's bandwidth did it a lot of good when going up against 980Ti.
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gonna copy paste this from another thread...;
what does that red shill wall of text have to do with actual async benchmark gaming results that I just linked you ?

read em again - async gives only a few percent fps increase in games (saw the exact same story when the RotR async patch came out)
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what does that red shill wall of text have to do with actual async benchmark gaming results that I just linked you ?

read em again - async gives only a few percent fps increase in games (saw the exact same story when the RotR async patch came out)

and fps is all that matters as far as gaming GPU are concerned
That test violates its specifications. So sad that the reviewer is purporting these hacked results...
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I guess. But there's not much to talk about really. A lot of us were saying (including me) that Pascal would be a node shrinked Maxwell 2 with fixed async. Some didn't believe, some did. Now the proof is in the pudding.

What else is there to talk about...? Should you get a 980 Ti rather than a 1080..? Meh. I wouldn't get either of them. The 980 Ti is a better deal at a cheap price and that's it.

Exactly. The topic should be closed for discussion. Yet people are pulling AMD into this when the original topic didn't include AMD at all. Fanboys... rolleyes.gif
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