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http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/27/intel-corporation-may-be-launching-new-kaby-lake-c.aspx

I have no idea what "soon" means but ya lol.

What im curious about is how fast will kaby lake be compared to skylake? Is it worth waiting for if i have the money to build a rig now?
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http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/27/intel-corporation-may-be-launching-new-kaby-lake-c.aspx

I have no idea what "soon" means but ya lol.

What im curious about is how fast will kaby lake be compared to skylake? Is it worth waiting for if i have the money to build a rig now?

Soon is probably this November-December, as MSI showed a 200 series motherboard at Computex with a November ETA

Kaby is a complete unknown right now with no leaks on performance. My guess is same freqency with 5-10% IPC gain like Haswell vs Ivy. There are wild rumor about it having better OC features than Skylake but we heard that about Haswell too and it wasn't realized until half a year later Haswell release with Devil's Canyon.

Don't think you'd lose/gain much in CPU performance either way in the waiting/skylake now choice. Kaby's main bonus is the 200 chipset having native usb3.1 and thunderbolt support, 3d xpoint SSD support and probably more chipset PCIE lanes for faster NVME SSDs.
Edited by sherlock - 7/28/16 at 8:44am
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I would be surprised if there was anything more than a negligible increase in IPC. Cannonlake was supposed to be the followup to Skylake. Kaby Lake is a stopgap because Intel couldn't keep up with their tick tock releases.
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Soon is probably this November-December, as MSI showed a 200 series motherboard at Computex with a November ETA

Kaby is a complete unknown right now with no leaks on performance. My guess is same freqency with 5-10% IPC gain like Haswell vs Ivy. There are wild rumor about it having better OC features than Skylake but we heard that about Haswell too and it wasn't realized until half a year later Haswell release with Devil's Canyon.

Don't think you'd lose/gain much in CPU performance either way in the waiting/skylake now choice. Kaby's main bonus is the 200 chipset having native usb3.1 and thunderbolt support, 3d xpoint SSD support and probably more chipset PCIE lanes for faster NVME SSDs.

.. Devil's canyon was the surprise in intels road map, because they couldn't keep up with tick tock. It was basically an optimization of haswell. Kraby lake is the same thing, an optimization of sky lake. This is their new 3 year cycle. New Arch > optimization > die shrink.

What you can expect out of kraby lake is basically a skylake with higher boost and base clocks, and possibly more headroom for overclocking...
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As a non-overclocker, I'd be keen on another 4790K-type deal. I'd snap up a Kaby Lake CPU if it had a 4.5GHz base clock.

Actually, what I'd really like is a Devil's Canyon style CPU for the HEDT platform. A highly clocked quad with all 40 PCI-E lanes. The E5-1630v4 is the closest thing that exists.
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As a non-overclocker, I'd be keen on another 4790K-type deal. I'd snap up a Kaby Lake CPU if it had a 4.5GHz base clock.

Actually, what I'd really like is a Devil's Canyon style CPU for the HEDT platform. A highly clocked quad with all 40 PCI-E lanes. The E5-1630v4 is the closest thing that exists.

Skylake-E isn't out yet, but there ought to be 4C/4T and 4C/8T Xeons out there for LGA-2011-4 or whatever it'll be. Give it some time. thumb.gif

However, given that Skylake Xeons can't be used on consumer chipsets (never officially supported, but my E3+Z97 works fine and Intel is actively NOT allowing this anymore) I don't know how that will work for "X190" or whatever it'll be and Xeons.
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Question...take a look at this.



Will there be a Kaby Lake K series on LGA 1151? Or has the K-series been moved to the -X platform, on LGA2066? MSI did show off that Z270 board, but maybe it will only support Skylake K and Kaby Lake H (locked)?

In other words....is the i7-7700K going to be on the mainstream socket (LGA1151/Z170/Z270) or the HEDT socket (LGA2066)?

I fear....Intel is completely moving away from overclocking on the mainstream socket. That's why the HEDT socket will get 4c/8t parts. frown.gif
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Note that particular Kaby Lake-X on LGA 2066 has a 112W TDP compared to 95W on LGA 1151. So it's either a heavily factory overclocked part, or a glorified quad core like the 3820 and 4820K before it.
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Note that particular Kaby Lake-X on LGA 2066 has a 112W TDP compared to 95W on LGA 1151. So it's a heavily factory overclocked part, or a glorified quad core like the 3820 and 4820K before it.

I was just about to post that. A 4c/8t @ 112W TDP....that's a 23% increase in TDP.....what is that, a 4.5GHz boost clock?

i7-4820K
4c/8t Ivy Bridge
3.8GHz boost
130W TDP

10MB cache

i7-3770K
4c/8t Ivy Bridge
3.9GHz boost
77W TDP

8MB cache

Where are those 53W going!?
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For some reason CPUs with the same suffix and same #cores are given the same TDP. For example both 4790K and 4690K have 88W TDP, even though the i5 doesn't have HT and is clocked 500 MHz lower.

I suspect it's the same case with 4820K, because both 4930K and 4960X were also 130W.
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