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That adds MT performance but not ST.

ST performance is one of the most important performance metrics for most games. For a media encoding workstation those xeons are pretty nice due to the low price, if you're considering an actual upgrade for a system used for gaming then Skylake is 100% the way to go
You're assuming a Westmere Xeon isn't adequate for handling today's games and you would be incorrect. jnchuna also mentioned working in 3D design and the MT performance of Westmere hexacore is on par with Skylake when overclocked. I haven't heard of anyone being incapable of hitting 4.0 GHz without ordinary effort. It's easily the most cost-effective solution. I think Skylake-E will be when current Westmere owners will finally feel compelled to upgrade.
post #22 of 58
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You're assuming a Westmere Xeon isn't adequate for handling today's games and you would be incorrect.

Vast majority of CPU limited games run much better on Skylake than a Westmere Xeon. If you're not talking about games that stress CPU then it doesn't matter what CPU you're using.

Those CPU's are in a similar group as FX piledriver right now - pretty cost effective if used for something like a video encoding box that's only running very efficiently multithreaded workloads but mediocre performance for stuff that relies on ST perf; most CPU-heavy games. Strength in perf/$ for a fraction of workloads, not strength in raw performance.
Edited by Cyro999 - 7/30/16 at 10:08pm
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I don't believe any of the games listed in the OP are CPU-limited. And an X56*0 running at 4.0+ GHz will play any game on the market today just fine.
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And an X56*0 running at 4.0+ GHz will play any game on the market today just fine.

A 960 will play any game on the market today "just fine", that doesn't mean that it's as good as a 970.
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I don't believe any of the games listed in the OP are CPU-limited.

All of them will find CPU quite relevant except for hearthstone.. worst performance will be on WoW followed by GTA, though Overwatch might struggle to keep FPS very high (144hz monitor) and LoL/CSGO might see dips but tend to run better so maybe they'd be fine either way. All of those games run dramatically faster on Skylake.. some as much as 1.5x faster or even a bit more.

A 6600k would probably be a better buy than a 6700k if price is a factor. There's a place for westmere xeons but it's not for CPU heavy games, especially at >60hz
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Okay, I guess if you want to be so technical, a Westmere Xeon will not bottleneck any game on the market today. Again, jncunha said they will be doing 3D modeling. If you can't bother to read the original post, don't comment on the thread.
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Okay, I guess if you want to be so technical, a Westmere Xeon will not bottleneck any game on the market today

Uhh.. Yes it will. You can't run those games at whatever FPS you want 24/7 just by turning down the graphics settings, even the fastest CPU will limit performance ("bottleneck") on them, several of them at a fairly low framerate.
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Again, jncunha said they will be doing 3D modeling. If you can't bother to read the original post, don't comment on the thread.

I did read it of course, the OP was quite clearly talking about more than a dedicated modeling workstation. A 6600k/6700k is not slower than a westmere xeon for these loads, however it is more expensive. That's the price you pay for being way better at the other workloads. Why the hostility?
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I'm not being hostile, I'm just trying to make sure jncunha is receiving accurate information.
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It's so sad that Intel still have no 6-core for the mainstream platform. I would choose 6700k for the faster per-core performance, but you still stay at the same core count after all these years. I myself am done with Intel if Zen is anywhere near the performance level. I know it will be slower, but I don't care for Intel anymore.
post #29 of 58
Mainstream users don't need more than four cores. Programs that take advantage of more than four cores are used by people whose needs would not be considered "mainstream."
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Maybe if Intel would sell hexa-mainstream-core some devs would try to use them. The way it's been the last 5-6-7 years they shouldn't even try.

And you should stop with that mentality, defending a monopoly. We see it's results. $1700 for the 10-core CPU and the prices of 4c/8t CPUs increasing year after year for insignificant jump in IPC performance.
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