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Welp there goes my 970. Video cards are by far some of the least bang for your buck items a person can buy.

Then don't buy nVIDIA

Or just don't buy graphics cards at all

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gets blazingly faster with each new driver

The 7850 has gone from 44% behind the 760 to nearly reaching parity with the 760 in the last 3 years. I would call that blazing.

Now, you implied that legacy means nothing driver wise, as you pointed out, all the way back to 400 series is still supported.
so how much performance have AMD drivers wrenched out of the chip if they've managed to overcome that difference along with optimizations from nvidia that must still be coming? Or could it mean that optimization from nvidia stopped 2 years ago and support on current drivers means nothing?

If optimizations stopped two years ago then your whole arguement about support is invalid, if they have kept optimzing Kepler, because they're "still supported" then AMD are true wizzards and we must be talking more along the lines of, I would assume around 50% or more improvement on pitcairn in the last 3 years.
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Btw, the only reason the 400 series is still on that list is because the architecture still resembles the current cards somewhat. Most of the performance has been squeezed out of it however. New architectures just see more gains because optimizations were poor initially.

That sounds about right. GK104 and by extension the rest of Kepler was based heavily on GF114 (itself refined GF104). Maxwell took Kepler and overhauled it but it wasn't exactly new from the ground up. Meanwhile Pascal looks like a smaller change, perhaps akin to something like Haswell to Broadwell. I'm not entirely sure, but according to Ryan Smith of Anandtech, Pascal's pipeline length seems not to have changed vs Maxwell, but that isn't confirmed as Nvidia, well, doesn't confirm that.

Pascal definitely has its roots in Fermi, and Fermi was... maybe based on Tesla? It's hard to tell. There were some pretty dramatic changes under the hood, more so than Kepler to Maxwell if I'm interpreting these articles correctly.


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4 years is also an exaggeration, but initial drivers were bad. The 7970 was ~15-20% faster than a 580 at launch for instance.

Wow. That's pretty bad. It did get a decent lead a couple years later though. Interesting that good ol' Woodscrews has held up as reasonably well as it has. It hasn't been until fairly recently that GCN has started to prove itself on the driver side of things it seems. Sadly the newer GCN revisions aren't doing much - Tonga is <5% faster than an equivalent Tahiti - and Polaris hasn't touched the ISA at all.
Edited by CynicalUnicorn - 7/29/16 at 5:23pm
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Even if that's the case,it is moot because said drivers with the improvements will not work with maxwell or earlier cards.

Yeah, they will ... because there's only one driver, and it works for all the supported cards.

Edit: To be more clear, I mean there's only one 'current' driver set, obviously there's older versions of 'the drivers' but if you download the latest nV drivers for your card you will get this package:

GEFORCE GAME READY DRIVER

Version: 368.81 WHQL
Release Date: 2016.7.14
Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit
Language: English (US)
File Size: 341.11 MB

Whether you have Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal, Tesla, Mobile, whatever ... you will receive the same driver package, and the same set of driver files will be installed and used by your hardware. There's nothing 'custom' that's specific to your particular card or even family of cards, as long as you're on Fermi or above.

See this for more information
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You're telling me... I'm still on SLI 570s because of the absolutely absurd prices NV charges, and I really prefer not to have AMD's constant driver issues.
Constant driver issues?

I think switching to a newer single card is going to be much better than those SLI 570s. Also unless you have the special edition 570s you only have 1,25GB which is a bit little.
post #76 of 142
Does this really matter? Other than VRAM limitations and that Dark Souls 3 issue, Fermi is still perfectly usable in todays games. This isn't like AMD where 5\6 series is stuck on old drivers.
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Does this really matter? Other than VRAM limitations and that Dark Souls 3 issue, Fermi is still perfectly usable in todays games. This isn't like AMD where 5\6 series is stuck on old drivers.

I am willing to bet there is zero performance difference from the last driver when the 4/5 series was the main series to the latest driver today. Thats the issue, is once they go legacy you can kiss game optimizations goodbye. Of course they are still going to get driver updates for legacy products, they are only going to be major issue fixes in them though.
 
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It doesnt really matter for people who buy $200 gpus cause we are still running gpus from 7 years ago

Id take a 980 if you gave me one and not buy a AMD card (or even a 970 biggrin.gif)
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Makes you wonder, those guys that got their 290X @ $299 is one hell a of deal there. RX480 is about the same speed but are selling @ $230-$260. lol
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You guys are hilarious. They are on the legacy page because the products are EOL; they are no longer in production. That's all.

As for performance updates in the future, Maxwell and Pascal are almost identical in their architecture, so I would wager a guess that many tweaks that Nvidia makes for Pascal will also spill over into Maxwell. Kepler was fundamentally different from Maxwell; the CU's were organized differently, which means that tweaks on one wouldn't transfer directly to the other.

Kepler (GK104)


Maxwell (GM204)


Pascal (GP104)



Notice how the Maxwell setup and Pascal setup look nearly identical.
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