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GTX 1070 and 1440p monitor now VS GTX 1080 and 4K Monitor later

post #1 of 33
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so my friend and i were talking about my upcoming pc build earlier and we were discussing whether it would be better to buy a 970 and a 1440p monitor now or buy a 1080 now and save up to get a 4k monitor later. both would be about the same price, however they each have their own caveats.
my friend believes that the 1070 will perform well in 1440p for a long while as the memory bus on it is enough to ensure being futureproof, however this does come with a disadvantage as when 4k is mainstream and 1440p is the new 900p, it will cost more to upgrade the monitor down the road.
the good part about a 1080 and a 4k monitor later is that i won't have to shell out money to upgrade to the new standard, however my friend is saying that while the 1080 does well now in 4k he suspects the performance with future games will deteriorate faster then a 1070 at 1440p will. what do you guys think?
post #2 of 33
1080 and 1440p. The 1080 is not a 4k card with maxed settings. Maybe by this time next year. We might have a powerful single card solution for 4k max settings. But, even then doubting it. 2018 at the earliest. Even 1440p max settings can be very demanding for a 1080. And none of the newer games are out yet. Especially the ones coming out next year. They are only going to get more demanding.

980Ti/1080 @1440p is the sweet spot and where to be right now. 4k gaming monitors have not even come close to hitting their full stride yet either. Very limited to what they can do and selection. Compared to 1440 options. Just to give you an idea. The Witcher 3 max settings with hairworks on cannot maintain 60fps+ constantly even with a 1080.
Edited by FattysGoneWild - 7/29/16 at 10:02pm
post #3 of 33
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Originally Posted by FattysGoneWild View Post

1080 and 1440p. The 1080 is not a 4k card with maxed settings. Maybe by this time next year. We might have a powerful single card solution for 4k max settings. But, even then doubting it. 2018 at the earliest. Even 1440p max settings can be very demanding for a 1080. And none of the newer games are out yet. Especially the ones coming out next year. They are only going to get more demanding.

980Ti/1080 @1440p is the sweet spot and where to be right now. 4k gaming monitors have not even come close to hitting their full stride yet either. Very limited to what they can do and selection. Compared to 1440 options. Just to give you an idea. The Witcher 3 max settings with hairworks on cannot maintain 60fps+ constantly even with a 1080.
So would you reccomend I get a 1080 or 1070 for 1440p?
post #4 of 33
It depends on what graphical settings and frame-rates you're targeting, are you targeting 60 fps gaming with max settings?

The GTX 1080 and 1070 do a great job at 1440p 60fps gaming, often with the highest graphical settings enabled without the use of intensive AA solutions such as MSAA.

However, 4K Gaming on a single GPU while running max settings is pretty tough to run, both GPUs will be delivering sub 60 fps levels of performance in some of the games of today that are especially demanding on the hardware.

Regarding your friend who suspects that the GTX 1080's performance will deteriorate faster in future games than a GTX 1070 running 1440p, they're spot on.
4K is a lot more demanding than 1440p, 4K is around 2.25x the amount of pixels as 1440p, meanwhile the the GTX 1080 is around 20% faster than the GTX 1070.

The performance hit going from 1440p to 4K on these cards at the same graphical settings is going to be drastic, and the GTX 1080's performance increase over the GTX 1070 may seem quite insignificant when you lose a great deal of frames.

Overclocking can certainly help, as you could gain a performance boost of around 10% on each card when you factor in overclocking, however it also depends on what level of performance and graphical settings you're okay with.

If you're aiming for 60 fps max settings gaming then SLI 1070s or 1080s will do a great job, or possibly even the upcoming Pascal Titan X, however it may be best to wait for a Ti variant of the GTX 1080 if budget permits.

If you're not too bothered about max settings gaming then you could potentially dial down some graphical settings to get a decent 4K Gaming experience around 60 fps on either a GTX 1070 or 1080.

Hope this helps!
Edited by TopicClocker - 7/30/16 at 4:37am
post #5 of 33
just an example.

I run a 32" 2560x1440 75hz monitor.. Zotac 1070 amp edition with mild overclock.

BF4 default ultra settings, No shader mods, 85% field of view, I never dip below 130fps..
Starwars BF, I havent checked it but it seems to run a little better than bf4..
Archeage maxed out settings, shadows on everything maxed out 120+fps.
post #6 of 33
get the 4k monitor, two 1070's, when a single card solution comes out sell the 1070's and get the single card solution.
post #7 of 33
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

It depends on what graphical settings and frame-rates you're targeting, are you targeting 60 fps gaming with max settings?

The GTX 1080 and 1070 do a great job at 1440p 60fps gaming, often with the highest graphical settings enabled without the use of intensive AA solutions such as MSAA.

However, 4K Gaming on a single GPU while running max settings is pretty tough to run, both GPUs will be delivering sub 60 fps levels of performance in some of the games of today that are especially demanding on the hardware.

Regarding your friend who suspects that the GTX 1080's performance will deteriorate faster in future games than a GTX 1070 running 1440p, they're spot on.
4K is a lot more demanding than 1440p, 4K is around 2.25x the amount of pixels as 1440p, meanwhile the the GTX 1080 is around 20% faster than the GTX 1070.

The performance hit going from 1440p to 4K on these cards at the same graphical settings is going to be drastic, and the GTX 1080's performance increase over the GTX 1070 may seem quite insignificant when you lose a great deal of frames.

Overclocking can certainly help, as you could gain a performance boost of around 10% on each card when you factor in overclocking, however it also depends on what level of performance and graphical settings you're okay with.

If you're aiming for 60 fps max settings gaming then SLI 1070s or 1080s will do a great job, or possibly even the upcoming Pascal Titan X, however it may be best to wait for a Ti variant of the GTX 1080 if budget permits.

If you're not too bothered about max settings gaming then you could potentially dial down some graphical settings to get a decent 4K Gaming experience around 60 fps on either a GTX 1070 or 1080.

Hope this helps!
So if I wanted to stay at max settings for longer, the 1070 and 1440 would fare better than a 1080 with 4K?
post #8 of 33
you mean if it's better to shell out money for a 1070 and a 1440p monitor at once or get more expensive 1080 and 4K but spread it out over the course of time, buying 1080 first and 4K display later ?

let me tell you why option no.2 is by far the best. Cause 1070 and 1440p seems, how to say that in English, like a half measure. It's very good but it's not what you actually want. If you want 4K and 1080 then don't buy 1440p and 1070 cause time will tell you'll end up reselling those for 1080 and 4K.

now let me tell you why option no.2 is also the worst one. Cause 4K gaming is just beyond any single card ATM. It's a mirage that some ppl chase with 30-40 fps but that's clearly taking a lot from the experience you should have.

solution: if you want 4K not 1440p, buy a 4K monitor now, choose a card that would let you run it close to 60 fps with medium-high settings at the lowest possible cost (I'm thinking used Fury/980Ti) but one that won't lose much resale value (I think if you manage to get a used 980Ti for a good price now they'll likely not drop any lower, they've got the sharpest price drop already behind them). Then wait for a card that will run 4K at 60fps without dropping the visual quality that low.


There's just a contradiction here. Buying a card and display of better quality in two installments is much better that buying a card and a display with current max budget, But a 4K monitor and 1080 aren't worth the money spent over 1070/1440p, and it's the matter of the 4K resolution not the card. If you replaced that 4K monitor with a 34" 3440x1440 one then abolutely cause GTX 1080 can play that resolution at 60fps comfortably and 34" 1440p 21:9 is better than 27" 1440p 16:9, both for games and work.
Edited by Klocek001 - 7/30/16 at 8:28am
post #9 of 33
A single 1080 cant even handle 1440p let alone 4k
post #10 of 33
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A single 1080 cant even handle 1440p let alone 4k

Yes and no. Imo. Even with the 1080. It crosses between 1080p/1440p card. Pushing more towards 1440p. Overall. I think its a great 1440p card and would not even consider using it for 4k gaming. Its not a 4k card. OP. I still say if you can swing it. Go for the 1080 and 1440p G-Sync. You will be quite pleased.
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