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I'm still confused on this issue of Skylake systems being denied updates after July 17 2018. First it was 2017, but now they've revised it. Aside from adding a year, they say:
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Also, after July 2018, all critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for Skylake systems until extended support ends...
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/03/18/updates-to-support-policy-for-skylake-devices-running-windows-7-and-windows-8-1/

"Critical security updates" as opposed to what? Windows 7 is in extended support, and I thought the very definition of extended support was that you only get security updates. What, then, is the difference?

Also, is my understanding correct, that Microsoft are (or at least were originally) going to just deny all Windows updates to Skylake-based systems running 7/8.1 after the deadline? A lot of people seem to think that this has something to do with drivers that are actually required to run Skylake specific hardware (like there is a practical reason behind it), and that this isn't just a completely artificial and arbitrary cap being placed on Windows Update delivery for the sake of manipulating more people onto Windows 10.


Finally, I hear no mention of Broadwell-E, so is it safe to say that Windows 7/8.1 are fully supported on Broadwell-E systems until extended support ends in 2020/2023?
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When they backtracked a little in the timeline they also had to tone down the threats. Originally they said that only a subset of the critical security updates ("the most critical security updates") would be delivered and even then that statement came with an "if". Since then they rephrased it to "all critical security updates", as the quote in your post points out.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/
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After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.


So that clears up part of your doubt. As to critical versus what else when it comes to security updates, Microsoft has a table that explains the other types of security updates:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/gg309177.aspx




Broadwell-E is fine. It's the same X99 platform that was already around when Windows 7 was still under mainstream support. It's of course cynical of them because the chip itself has new, different features compared to Skylake, such as per core overclocking, but it's as you mentioned, "an artificial and arbitrary cap being placed on Windows Update delivery for the sake of manipulating more people onto Windows 10."

Even though Windows 7 users are being thrown under the bus when it comes to the other types of security updates besides the critical ones, Windows 8.1 users are perhaps the ones that are really being thrown under the bus as that OS is still under mainstream support. That used to mean something, but you can't take Microsoft on its word anymore:


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When they backtracked a little in the timeline they also had to tone down the threats. Originally they said that only a subset of the critical security updates ("the most critical security updates") would be delivered and even then that statement came with an "if". Since then they rephrased it to "all critical security updates", as the quote in your post points out.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/
So that clears up part of your doubt. As to critical versus what else when it comes to security updates, Microsoft has a table that explains the other types of security updates:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/gg309177.aspx

Broadwell-E is fine. It's the same X99 platform that was already around when Windows 7 was still under mainstream support. It's of course cynical of them because the chip itself has new, different features compared to Skylake, such a per core overclocking, but it's as you mentioned, "an artificial and arbitrary cap being placed on Windows Update delivery for the sake of manipulating more people onto Windows 10."

Even though Windows 7 users are being thrown under the bus when it comes to the other types of security updates besides the critical ones, Windows 8.1 users are perhaps the ones that are really being thrown under the bus as that OS is still under mainstream support. That used to mean something, but you can't take Microsoft on its word anymore:

Thanks, I wasn't aware that there was a hierarchy of different security updates like that.

I no longer have my Haswell hardware, and was planning to build a Skylake based system to replace it. However, now I'm thinking I should go with Broadwell-E because of this updates thing. Chances are I'll be using Windows 10 going forward, but all it would take is for MS to do something stupid, like strip Windows Update control out of gpedit, and that would be the last straw for me - I'd be in 7, then 8.1, until 2023. I see there is now precedent for them doing that kind of thing.
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