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1 tower 2 rigs with Zen?

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Awhile back LTT did a video showing how they used virtualization to build a single tower into multiple gaming units. An interesting experiment if a bit impracticle.

I am quickly approaching a place in my life where i have need of a duel set up for my kidos and practicality is less of an issue than having a fun and challenging build to play with for me.

Within the next year i am strongly considering buying a Zen cpu and attempting to virtualize it into duel gaming set ups for my kids with side by side seating seperated by the tower on the large desk i now have.

Anyone else here interested in what Zen may be able to offer in such a set up with their 8 cores 16 threads and more intel like performance?

My second more practical idea is to build some micro ATX set ups in those nifty modular cubes Thermaltake make that are stackable. Similar results without the headache of VM setup.
post #2 of 16
Well you answer your on question. If zen delivers Intel like performance then you will have a... well a Intel like performance😁.
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Correct...at AMD like prices. #$$$$$$
post #4 of 16
Yea I forged about that, but I doubt about amd will price next gen processors at current price levels.
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I'm very much interested in Zen's price/performance ratio and power consumption, not so much brute performance. An 8 core 16 thread Zen chip will be ideal for pass through if it performs equal to an Intel Haswell i7 at a lower price.

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Zen will have Intel like performance. The generation of Intel Chip is the questions.
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MY best guess is this...

#1 Performance between current gen intel chips is so similar many people refuse to upgrade because it is more of a side grad as it is. As long as AMD can get in the mix, preferably at the Haswell or better point many are predicting, then its a major major step in the right direction. Current gen games need only so much single threaded performance to keep GPUs fed and run the vast majority of games. AMD chips have been serviceable and even great for the cost with a solid OCing and better multi threading support on many games. If they get in line with Haswell at similar clocks and continue to offer more threading, then we have a real contender that will only drive prices down for all of us.

#2 I believe the pricing on AMD 8 core 16 thread Zen will make it the cheapest option in Price/Thread count available to the masses. This opens up new opportunities to use the tech that we haven't really seen before for enthusiasts. That much threading is obviously overkill with today's software the way most people use it. However, for an enthusiasts who is interested in Virtualization...the possibilities are numerous. Imagine having your Tower Virtualize 2 systems, one for gaming, one for bit mining or Linux or Content Creation AT THE SAME TIME! Imaging at the push of a button and some extra peripherals being able to turn your solo tower into a pair of adequate gaming machines by dividing resources for some in house fun when you have company. It's going to be an interesting time for those of us who are interested in leveraging the hardware until software developers catch up.

#3 I believe that just like we have sen in the past, the FX line will continue to age gracefully. For a chip series that started off so badly it has become clear that as software has caught on to the idea of more threads, and revisions were made the FX line to improve its dismal single thread performance, it will continue to be a staple in budget gamer builds. They get the job done for a lot of people with nearly identical eye test performance in many many games and activities, especially eSports like titles at prices intel cannot touch. A sub $100 8 thread FX will have life for a few years to come yet and that's astonishing to me considering its about 5 year old tech now. Yes they measurably differ from intel's offerings, but Zen wont nearly as much. And Zen in my estimation will have a similar longevity.

Because of that i'm going to get one and see what i can do with it. My guess is a lot.
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Originally Posted by gapottberg View Post

MY best guess is this...

#1 Performance between current gen intel chips is so similar many people refuse to upgrade because it is more of a side grad as it is. As long as AMD can get in the mix, preferably at the Haswell or better point many are predicting, then its a major major step in the right direction. Current gen games need only so much single threaded performance to keep GPUs fed and run the vast majority of games. AMD chips have been serviceable and even great for the cost with a solid OCing and better multi threading support on many games. If they get in line with Haswell at similar clocks and continue to offer more threading, then we have a real contender that will only drive prices down for all of us.

#2 I believe the pricing on AMD 8 core 16 thread Zen will make it the cheapest option in Price/Thread count available to the masses. This opens up new opportunities to use the tech that we haven't really seen before for enthusiasts. That much threading is obviously overkill with today's software the way most people use it. However, for an enthusiasts who is interested in Virtualization...the possibilities are numerous. Imagine having your Tower Virtualize 2 systems, one for gaming, one for bit mining or Linux or Content Creation AT THE SAME TIME! Imaging at the push of a button and some extra peripherals being able to turn your solo tower into a pair of adequate gaming machines by dividing resources for some in house fun when you have company. It's going to be an interesting time for those of us who are interested in leveraging the hardware until software developers catch up.

#3 I believe that just like we have sen in the past, the FX line will continue to age gracefully. For a chip series that started off so badly it has become clear that as software has caught on to the idea of more threads, and revisions were made the FX line to improve its dismal single thread performance, it will continue to be a staple in budget gamer builds. They get the job done for a lot of people with nearly identical eye test performance in many many games and activities, especially eSports like titles at prices intel cannot touch. A sub $100 8 thread FX will have life for a few years to come yet and that's astonishing to me considering its about 5 year old tech now. Yes they measurably differ from intel's offerings, but Zen wont nearly as much. And Zen in my estimation will have a similar longevity.

Because of that i'm going to get one and see what i can do with it. My guess is a lot.

@gapottberg Kudos for a perfect and very informative post!!!
post #9 of 16
Might be possible with the right hypervisor. You will have to work out passthrough issues for the GPUs, which can be a tad tricky. Though it might not be so bad if you run the hypervisor on the bare metal instead of in a host OS.
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