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post #11 of 37
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

You're doing another person a disservice by putting together an outdated machine.
Ivy Bridge is still fine for use these days. Why replace a perfectly good processor if you have one in your possession? It's a bit dated, but it will still be a fine gaming machine for a few more years.

Speaking of which, I would recommend getting an RX 480 instead of an R9 290X. Significantly lower TDP for a compact build will help tremendously. There's also the option of going green and getting a GTX 1060.
post #12 of 37
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

You're doing another person a disservice by putting together an outdated machine.

Whoa whoa whoa,

For 1: you have no clue whats this person's use is going to be, you shouldn't assume that everyone on this forum is like you. Maybe it's for his Grandma, and she just wants something that her grandson built. Maybe it's just to check email and they want something that looks modern but don't care about a benchmark.
2: A 3370K's is still comparable to a 6600k that so many people on this forum use
3. You're doing another yourself a disservice by not putting together an new machine monthly.


Just food for thought
post #13 of 37
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Originally Posted by Gamingonabudget View Post

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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

You're doing another person a disservice by putting together an outdated machine.

Whoa whoa whoa,

For 1: you have no clue whats this person's use is going to be, you shouldn't assume that everyone on this forum is like you. Maybe it's for his Grandma, and she just wants something that her grandson built. Maybe it's just to check email and they want something that looks modern but don't care about a benchmark.
2: A 3370K's is still comparable to a 6600k that so many people on this forum use
3. You're doing another yourself a disservice by not putting together an new machine monthly.


Just food for thought

They bought / still haven't bought certain components. You're right, I don't know what this users "use case" will be, but if it's anything like most people's, it would still be better served by more recent tech, considering the price differential isn't that great. We're looking at Ivy Bridge stuff here in 2016. Unless this were a hand-me-down, it's a disservice. I won't change my opinion on that.

I see this a lot. It's usually the case that I see an enthusiast will hand-me-down some of their components and use whatever profit they make on the build to upgrade *their build.* I'm not saying that is the case here, I just see it *all the time.* I mean, so many people do that, it's laughable at this point. I see "I'm upgrading my wife's computer" but in reality, what they are really saying 8 or 9 times out of 10 is: "Upgrading my computer, wife gets my hand-me-downs."
post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

They bought / still haven't bought certain components. You're right, I don't know what this users "use case" will be, but if it's anything like most people's, it would still be better served by more recent tech, considering the price differential isn't that great. We're looking at Ivy Bridge stuff here in 2016. Unless this were a hand-me-down, it's a disservice. I won't change my opinion on that."

You're right "Ivy Bridge stuff " is completely outdated, might as well be a 486DX266. If you or anyone else has this outdated equipment send me a PM and I'll happily "dispose" (not gonna happen) of your ancient equipment. Cause we all know a 3rd gen i7 can't send e-mail or watch YouTube. /s (<-the /s is for sarcasm in case you don't know)

And for anyone who says "I won't change my opinion on that." #close minded #not everyone is you
post #15 of 37
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

They bought / still haven't bought certain components. You're right, I don't know what this users "use case" will be, but if it's anything like most people's, it would still be better served by more recent tech, considering the price differential isn't that great. We're looking at Ivy Bridge stuff here in 2016. Unless this were a hand-me-down, it's a disservice. I won't change my opinion on that.

I see this a lot. It's usually the case that I see an enthusiast will hand-me-down some of their components and use whatever profit they make on the build to upgrade *their build.* I'm not saying that is the case here, I just see it *all the time.* I mean, so many people do that, it's laughable at this point. I see "I'm upgrading my wife's computer" but in reality, what they are really saying 8 or 9 times out of 10 is: "Upgrading my computer, wife gets my hand-me-downs."

Hand-me-downs are usually called that for a reason, its because they're usually free or low cost. Whats wrong with giving your couple gen old gear to a family member, or selling it to a friend for cheap?
There reality is that the 3770K is still a great CPU, give it a bit of an OC and you won't see any real world performance difference between it and a 6700K.

I'm no sure why you're so bothered by this, and I don't see a reason why need to clutter up someone else's thread because of your personal bias.
post #16 of 37
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

They bought / still haven't bought certain components. You're right, I don't know what this users "use case" will be, but if it's anything like most people's, it would still be better served by more recent tech, considering the price differential isn't that great. We're looking at Ivy Bridge stuff here in 2016. Unless this were a hand-me-down, it's a disservice. I won't change my opinion on that.

I see this a lot. It's usually the case that I see an enthusiast will hand-me-down some of their components and use whatever profit they make on the build to upgrade *their build.* I'm not saying that is the case here, I just see it *all the time.* I mean, so many people do that, it's laughable at this point. I see "I'm upgrading my wife's computer" but in reality, what they are really saying 8 or 9 times out of 10 is: "Upgrading my computer, wife gets my hand-me-downs."

Hand-me-downs are usually called that for a reason, its because they're usually free or low cost. Whats wrong with giving your couple gen old gear to a family member, or selling it to a friend for cheap?
There reality is that the 3770K is still a great CPU, give it a bit of an OC and you won't see any real world performance difference between it and a 6700K.

I'm no sure why you're so bothered by this, and I don't see a reason why need to clutter up someone else's thread because of your personal bias.

The problem is, often times the person is actually selling the gear, and I view it as a selfish way to behave. You're basically treating yourself better than you treat others if you do this, and assuming your needs are more important than theirs in terms of performance.

Now off of that philosophical soap box:

Ivy Bridge is going to be a 5 year old architecture in 8 months. Think about that, considering some of the parts in the build haven't been purchased yet. Does the person who will take receipt of the build know they are getting what amounts to a 5 year old machine? USB 3.1? Nope. m.2 and/or NVMe? No way. Skylake is more than a processor.

On top of that, Skylake is 10-15% faster in IPC and up to 30% faster overall when you don't factor in overclocks, which, lets be honest, are tough in a mini-ITX build without attention to detail.

So, again, I'm not going to change my opinion on that. Selling someone a machine with what will soon be 5 year old technology is a big dodgy, considering the price differential for new or even second-hand Skylake components is not that much different.

p.s. the iGPU in the 6600K/6700K is *MUCH* better than that in the 3770K. It's not even close.
Edited by mypickaxe - 8/1/16 at 3:43pm
post #17 of 37
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

The problem is, often times the person is actually selling the gear, and I view it as a selfish way to behave. You're basically treating yourself better than you treat others if you do this, and assuming your needs are more important than theirs in terms of performance.

Now off of that philosophical soap box:

Ivy Bridge is going to be a 5 year old architecture in 8 months. Think about that, considering some of the parts in the build haven't been purchased yet. Does the person who will take receipt of the build know they are getting what amounts to a 5 year old machine? USB 3.1? Nope. m.2 and/or NVMe? No way. Skylake is more than a processor.

On top of that, Skylake is 10-15% faster in IPC and up to 30% faster overall when you don't factor in overclocks, which, lets be honest, are tough in a mini-ITX build without attention to detail.

So, again, I'm not going to change my opinion on that. Selling someone a machine with what will soon be 5 year old technology is a big dodgy, considering the price differential for new or even second-hand Skylake components is not that much different.

p.s. the iGPU in the 6600K/6700K is *MUCH* better than that in the 3770K. It's not even close.

You have no reason to believe that's what going on here, so you're just going of a rant because of your own assumptions and opinions. You're bringing 0 helpful information to this thread.
And P.S. The iGPU isn't even being used in this build so I don't see how that's relevant to this thread either.

If you want to keep discussing this I suggest you start a thread about the practices of flipping older used gear.

Now to get back on topic:
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Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post

Now I need suggestions for a 1155 Mini ITX motherboard

That might be a bit of a challenge, Z77 ITX boards are pretty scarce these days, I suggest you keep an eye on Ebay and local second hand sites. maybe try some smaller stores that still might have one in a box in the back collecting dust.
post #18 of 37
Last one I promise, this young man needs to learn today. (picturing me feeding him a banana like the little boy does in the meme)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

Ivy Bridge is going to be a 5 year old architecture in 8 months. Think about that, considering some of the parts in the build haven't been purchased yet. Does the person who will take receipt of the build know they are getting what amounts to a 5 year old machine? USB 3.1? Nope. m.2 and/or NVMe? No way. Skylake is more than a processor.

On top of that, Skylake is 10-15% faster in IPC and up to 30% faster overall when you don't factor in overclocks, which, lets be honest, are tough in a mini-ITX build without attention to detail.

p.s. the iGPU in the 6600K/6700K is *MUCH* better than that in the 3770K. It's not even close.

Everyone not currently driving an electric car needs to upgrade to a hybrid. Gas powered cars are outdated and don't preform as well as the new Tesla.

On top of that the Tesla is 10-15% faster in 0-60 and up to 30% faster when you don't factor in turbos/superchargers, which, lets be honest, are tough in a mid sized cross-over build without attention to detail.

"p.s. the iGPU in the 6600K/6700K is *MUCH* better than that in the 3770K. It's not even close." -- I would like to see the benchmarks that prove this please.
post #19 of 37
I'd like to find out why the iGPU matters why when there's a discrete video card in the system.
post #20 of 37
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

The problem is, often times the person is actually selling the gear, and I view it as a selfish way to behave. You're basically treating yourself better than you treat others if you do this, and assuming your needs are more important than theirs in terms of performance.

Now off of that philosophical soap box:

Ivy Bridge is going to be a 5 year old architecture in 8 months. Think about that, considering some of the parts in the build haven't been purchased yet. Does the person who will take receipt of the build know they are getting what amounts to a 5 year old machine? USB 3.1? Nope. m.2 and/or NVMe? No way. Skylake is more than a processor.

On top of that, Skylake is 10-15% faster in IPC and up to 30% faster overall when you don't factor in overclocks, which, lets be honest, are tough in a mini-ITX build without attention to detail.

So, again, I'm not going to change my opinion on that. Selling someone a machine with what will soon be 5 year old technology is a big dodgy, considering the price differential for new or even second-hand Skylake components is not that much different.

p.s. the iGPU in the 6600K/6700K is *MUCH* better than that in the 3770K. It's not even close.

You have no reason to believe that's what going on here, so you're just going of a rant because of your own assumptions and opinions. You're bringing 0 helpful information to this thread.
And P.S. The iGPU isn't even being used in this build so I don't see how that's relevant to this thread either.

If you want to keep discussing this I suggest you start a thread about the practices of flipping older used gear.

Now to get back on topic:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post

Now I need suggestions for a 1155 Mini ITX motherboard

That might be a bit of a challenge, Z77 ITX boards are pretty scarce these days, I suggest you keep an eye on Ebay and local second hand sites. maybe try some smaller stores that still might have one in a box in the back collecting dust.

"I am about to build a new rig for another person but I would need some recommendations and suggestions concerning some parts. Below are the parts I have and those which will be needed in order to complete the build."

I gave my recommendation. Please stop trying to rebuke me.
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