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[Anandtech] SK Hynix Adds HBM2 to Catalog: 4 GB Stacks Set to Be Available in Q3

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SK Hynix has quietly added its HBM Gen 2 memory stacks to its public product catalog earlier this month, which means that the start of mass production should be imminent. The company will first offer two types of new memory modules with the same capacity, but different transfer-rates, targeting graphics cards, HPC accelerators and other applications. Over time, the HBM2 family will get broader.

SK Hynix intends to initially offer its clients 4 GB HBM2 4Hi stack KGSDs (known good stack dies) based on 8 Gb DRAM devices. The memory devices will feature a 1024-bit bus as well as 1.6 GT/s (H5VR32ESM4H-12C) and 2.0 GT/s (H5VR32ESM4H-20C) data-rates, thus offering 204 GB/s and 256 GB/s peak bandwidth per stack. Earlier this year a representative for SK Hynix revealed plans (in an interview with Golem.de) to start volume production of 4 GB HBM2 KGSDs in Q3 and the addition of the devices into product catalog confirms this information. Keep in mind that memory companies usually make announcements about the start of mass production when they are ready to deliver the first batch of new DRAM to a customer(s). Therefore, it is possible that SK Hynix may already be producing HBM2 stacks.





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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10527/sk-hynix-adds-hbm2-4-gb-memory-q3



It is looking like this is moving further along. Glad to see 2 suppliers. I think that at this point, it is almost certain that we will see 2 HBM2 suppliers by Q1 2017, which is when we expect AMD's Vega to launch. I'd love to see a "pure gaming" GPU from Nvidia that was >600mm^2, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Perhaps with 4480 shaders or even 5120 shaders (double the GTX 1080) and HBM2, but that seems improbable right now. It may have to wait until Volta or until we get to 10/20 nm process (right now TSMC is at 16/20nm and GF at 14/20nm).


The 8 high HBM2 is pretty neat too and may be of use for Compute, which uses a lot of VRAM.
Edited by CrazyElf - 8/1/16 at 11:19am
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10527/sk-hynix-adds-hbm2-4-gb-memory-q3



It is looking like this is moving further along. Glad to see 2 suppliers. I think that at this point, it is almost certain that we will see 2 HBM2 suppliers by Q1 2017, which is when we expect AMD's Vega to launch. I'd love to see a "pure gaming" GPU from Nvidia that was >600mm^2, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Perhaps with 4480 shaders or even 5120 shaders (double the GTX 1080) and HBM2, but that seems improbable right now. It may have to wait until Volta or until we get to 10/20 nm process (right now TSMC is at 16/20nm and GF at 14/20nm).


The 8 high HBM2 is pretty neat too and may be of use for Compute, which uses a lot of VRAM.

It seems overly clear at this point that Nvidia has no plans to make big waves in the gaming world until AMD releases Vega. So here is hoping to HBM2 supplies being bountiful, and Vega bringing performance we can all get behind.

Maybe you and the rest of us will get those raw gaming GPUs next go!
    
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an Nvidia HBM2 gaming GPU should come out few months after Vega at most


either GP102 or GV104 ?
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an Nvidia HBM2 gaming GPU should come out few months after Vega at most


either GP102 or GV104 ?
Depends on do they really need HBM to beat amd ( if vega is fast). because it will either increase gpu prices even more, or lower their margins.
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an Nvidia HBM2 gaming GPU should come out few months after Vega at most


either GP102 or GV104 ?

Where do you get this stuff from? Just spew so much without much thought at all.

Anways, Nvidia won't be releasing an HBM2 equipped card cause they simply don't need the extra bandwidth at the moment.

AMD has bet the bank on HBM2 in the APU/mobile space - imagine a ZenAPU with HBM2. This would decimate the competition in the lower-end of the market.
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using my head rolleyes.gif

they wont let AMD be the only ones with HBM2 flagship and in mid-2017 volume availability for HBM2 should be much better, suited for 1080Ti or another Titan or Volta
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I wonder how significant the power consumption drop will be with HBM2 vs standard GDDR5 or GDDR5x... Hopefully enough that we start to see really really small cards. That'd be pretty awesome!
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using my head rolleyes.gif

they wont let AMD be the only ones with HBM2 flagship and in mid-2017 volume availability for HBM2 should be much better, suited for 1080Ti or another Titan or Volta

Why? They didn't have an issue with AMD using HBM in Fury X, why would they suddenly care if Vega uses HBM2?
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using my head rolleyes.gif

they wont let AMD be the only ones with HBM2 flagship and in mid-2017 volume availability for HBM2 should be much better, suited for 1080Ti or another Titan or Volta

1080 Ti, if we even get one, absolutely won't have HBM2. Titan X(P) doesn't have it, the Ti sure as Hell won't. Consumers won't see it from Nvidia until what is after the newest Titan.
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Why? They didn't have an issue with AMD using HBM in Fury X, why would they suddenly care if Vega uses HBM2?

They didn't care about HBMv1 for the same reason no one else did, it was a short stepping stone to HBMv2, where the real performance gains are.
    
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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

using my head rolleyes.gif

they wont let AMD be the only ones with HBM2 flagship and in mid-2017 volume availability for HBM2 should be much better, suited for 1080Ti or another Titan or Volta

Well you're definitely not using your head around here.

HBM2 isn't something that can be quickly tacked on to an existing product - it's needs an entirely different memory controller, interposer, cooling solution, and so on.

Nvidia won't be using HBM2 this round cause it appears that they are satisfied with GDDR5X on 384bit for the TitanX. I'm assuming this is enough bandwidth for their current designs.

Maybe it's pride though - they don't want to use a technology that was developed by AMD from the ground-up.
Edited by MikeDuffy - 8/1/16 at 12:50pm
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