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Has it actually been proven that a lot of RX 480 cards were bought by miners, or is this just a rumor that everyone keeps repeating...?

I've read they have been, but it was technically heresay and I too am guilty of perpetuating it without proof. =/

I kind of hope that that's what it is and that there isn't some other underlying problem for such low availability.
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Has it actually been proven that a lot of RX 480 cards were bought by miners, or is this just a rumor that everyone keeps repeating...?

I bought 4. A friend bought 4. Couldn't buy more cause credit limit.

There are people with 100s of GTX 1070 and GTX 1080s for mining. Won't be surprised if somebody bought a few hundred or thousand straight from a distributor.
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I bought 4. A friend bought 4. Couldn't buy more cause credit limit.

There are people with 100s of GTX 1070 and GTX 1080s for mining. Won't be surprised if somebody bought a few hundred or thousand straight from a distributor.

Wow! what's the timeframe to roi for a 1080?
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3dmark still identifies my 1060 as a generic gpu.
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BF1 is one game, and it will perform best on the vendor who helped them the most. So its performance is meaningless on its own, unless you are a single minded game who think that everyone and their mother is playing BF1 only, which they aren't. Hence as you can see, why the mid and low end cards are guiding the charts. BF games have never been the low end performing cards friendly.

And yes, vulkan is meaningless unlike DX12 for now.
Until more game engines start to actually use and run in vulkan instead of DX11/12, you have no idea if vulkan is performing as good as DX11 for example, or it runs worse, and the benefit of vulkan over OpenGL is just because id engine was just so bad, that moving to vulkan helped them, while if they moved to DX11 and DX12 they could get even way more performance.

For all intended proposes, vulkan just got id game engine into the DX11 performance. Meaning that every game engine out there could be already running better in DX11 than if it moved to vulkan, which could make vulkan potentially die before it even began (like mantle). And until that proves otherwise, yes, vulkan is meaningless the same as your attempt to claim performance potentials or anything for the future with zero proof or even any remote way for comparison.

Until we see a game engine which can run both DX11, 12 and vulkan (which currently only UE4 can support all 3), and compare performance and visuals between all 3 options, and show that vulkan can run better than DX11 and be equal or better than DX12, the whole talks about vulkan being the future, are absolutely meaningless.
If DX11 game engine can run better than vulkan in terms of performance and equal image quality, this will keep MS the dominate OS and DX11/12 as the dominate API. And unless proven otherwise, and unless more games move to vulkan, I see no reason to crown vulkan as the next best thing, or even care that much.

This is the same beginning story of mantle.
While mantle came out and everyone were so hyped how it is going to make AMD supreme again, it only brought AMD performance closer to how nvidia were running in DX11, but it did not rain supreme. It did not break the DX11 lead (and AMD gave up on it because developers did not find the reason to move to mantle and rewrite everything).

Vulkan still needs to prove himself outside of the single game single mindset of OpenGL from id.
id is currently the weird uncle of game engines, only supporting OpenGL and now vulkan, while everyone else are running DX11 or a variation of OpenGL. So far it only proved it can run better than OpenGL, which was already running horribly. It yet to prove being better than DX11 and DX12. Being better than the worst does not mean its the best.

Keep moving your goal posts. When a game engine can run all 3 api's? Whats next you want Some coffee and bagels? I tell you what great majesty of meaningless and best, I'll just wait to hear from you when something isn't meaningless. You obviously have all that great knowledge of whats good and bad. Your opinion is the only one that matters so i will wait to hear when you deem something worthy. A single game for video card performance benchmarks is important to some people because it may be the only game they play. I see how you easily ignore any technical feats on these api's. They were designed after all to improve performance among other things. In the meantime ignore them since they are well established despite being brand new. I look forward to seeing more games using both new api's and each one brings its own merits.

oh so meaningless. ..
post #66 of 73
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I've read they have been, but it was technically heresay and I too am guilty of perpetuating it without proof. =/

I kind of hope that that's what it is and that there isn't some other underlying problem for such low availability.

The 480 is pretty much the best performance per dollar and per watt for GPU mining right now. I obviously have no way of providing numbers, but I've seen enough pictures with stacks of 480s out there that were bought by miners to know it has to be making some sort of impact on availability.

I'm small time and have 3 480s in my 6 GPU rig with a 4th on the way...
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post #67 of 73

It would appear like the reference card has over a 200% yearly ROI mining Ethereum (some sources cite 236%). It is said power target can also be reduced to drop power consumption considerably with no impact in mining performance.

 

So it would seem like yes, these are quite the attractive cards.

   
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They are cheap, NV branded alternatives and..

Lots of players on steam play games that are more CPU bound (like CSGO) than GPU, so there's no point getting a 1080/980 Ti when a gtx 960 gives you ~40 less FPS in a 400+ FPS scenario.


Exactly. i myself laugh when i launched league of legend at 4k maxed out and with 400 fps with my 7950....



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The 480 is pretty much the best performance per dollar and per watt for GPU mining right now. I obviously have no way of providing numbers, but I've seen enough pictures with stacks of 480s out there that were bought by miners to know it has to be making some sort of impact on availability.

I'm small time and have 3 480s in my 6 GPU rig with a 4th on the way...


Not sure a 1070 should still be better no ? my ppd in folding@home was at 710k this morning with 1984mhz and stock vram speed.
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Not sure a 1070 should still be better no ? my ppd in folding@home was at 710k this morning with 1984mhz and stock vram speed.

For Ethereum mining, I believe the 1070 has a sweet spot of 30-31 mh/s pulling 150w each. Try to go beyond that with overclocks and stability suffers greatly along with a large increase in power used.

My 480s are getting 27.1 mh/s, 1050mhz core, 2200mhz mem, and undervolted on both. Pulling about 120w per card.

1070s are still (a lot) more expensive as well, so the ROI would take a lot longer. There's also the minor fact that setting up the OS, drivers, and mining software is more difficult with Nvidia.

I'm sure there are good arguments for picking up 1070s anyway (like if one has access to free electricity), but I can't justify it based on the current metrics.

EDIT: I apologize for the off-topic...
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Dammit, it's late 2013 early '14 all over again.
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