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NVIDIA did not supply reviewers with cards, so it's up to them to buy them on their own dime and review them. Hardly any reviewer is going to do that.

 

Where did you read this..? Is this official news, that none were given out for review?

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Looks like Nvidia has the same scaling issues past 3000 shaders like AMD (in DX11 that is mostly), see 390X -> Fury and now 1080 -> Titan X.

Problem with Fiji wasn't inability to scale, it was that the front end and back-end wasn't any larger than Hawaii and they just added more shaders and gcn1.2 improvements. They had been constrained by die size

TBH this Titan ended up being a larger boost than I expected. Not a 1000$+ boost but I wouldn't pay that much for any gpu no matter the performance
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playable = 35 fps on High

no thx smile.gif

Get a 480/1060, lock the framerate to 30 and play with a more stable framerate than the consoles and with higher fidelity, in 4K for only $200, doesn't sound to bad to me. Vs paying $1200, a small improvement in image quality, and still not getting 60 anyway.. Hmm, hard choice. rolleyes.gif

If people want 4K/60 @ high-ultra in more than the 1 title it manages to get 60 in, then the only way is SLI/CF, the Titan XP is no exception. A couple 1080's are objectively the better choice for 4K within a "reasonable" budget (rolleyes.gif).

If money is no object then obviously the Titan XP is easily the better GPU, but i don't get how people are saying they'd rather have a single card vs SLI as if they're somehow equal in this case,1080's would wipe the floor with the Titan.. Am i missing something here?

SLI Titan XP's make sense, but damn that price-perf.. redface.gif
Edited by GorillaSceptre - 8/2/16 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Malinkadink View Post

$200 product will run 4k no filter, maybe dial things down to high from "ultra" and get a very playable experience. But i guess $1000 is totally worth it to get that little tiny graphical boost rolleyes.gif

No it won't, unless you are OK with 30FPS gaming at medium/high. You clearly have never attempted to game at 4K.
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Where did you read this..? Is this official news, that none were given out for review?

Videocardz.com claimed it, who also posted the first Titan X benchmark. Seems to be true.
Edited by Murlocke - 8/2/16 at 4:44pm
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playable = 35 fps on High

no thx smile.gif

The RX480 as an example gets 15 minum and 31fps avg @ 4k in GTA V all maxed (including the unnecessary advanced settings turned up) minus AA. Playable? Yes, enjoyable? Not so much. Turn off the advanced settings and see some gains the actual noticeable graphical difference here is losing a smidgen of view distance, turn the super heavy fps killer that is grass to normal, drop post fx to very high and you have playable gone to enjoyably playable.

That 15 min would easily turn to 30 min if not 40, and you'll average closer to 60 fps. Throw in freesync/gsync as some icing and you have the same playability as someone who dropped $1200 on a GPU. The graphical difference would be minimal, and when would someone care to notice when actually playing the game for its gameplay? I feel like the people who buy these grossly overpriced GPUs do it for e-peen, or they're so anal about graphics quality to the point where they actually just end up enjoying the game less than some guy running the game on low with a crappy pc.

I'm not judging anyone that goes out and buys these cards, but at the same time you're influencing Nvidia to keep pushing the limits as to what they're customers will pay. I'm a $300-500 price range guy when it comes to a GPU and thats a price bracket where a good majority of folks are in as well. The 1070 falls into that range, albeit at the upper end of it, and i refuse to pay $450 for a GPU that should have been $400 maximum. My 970 was around $350 at launch and that was a good value. The 1070 is still pretty good value, but why is it a straight up $100 jump in price over the previous generation card its replacing?

Inflation goes up 2.25% a year, the 970 is almost 2 years old so lets take the $329 msrp of the 970 and multiply it by 1.045 for 2 years of inlation = $343.81. The 1070 MSRP is $379, already its $35 more than what the 970 would have launched at if it was to launch this year accounting for inflation. However, there is not a single 1070 for $379, typically you'd see a reference card for that price, but oh wait the reference cards are now called "founders editions" and they MSRP for $449. It's really brilliant what Nvidia did business wise, but its also anti-consumer, and i wont be falling into that pitfall
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No it won't, unless you are OK with 30FPS gaming at medium/high. You clearly have never attempted to game at 4K.
Videocardz.com claimed it, who also posted the first Titan X benchmark. Seems to be true.

Wrong, i did game at 4k on a friends XB321HK. I cannot say the experience was the best in demanding titles, Witcher 3 was flatout awful even with low settings, and i'd put a good amount of blame on the 3.5gb vram of the 970. If it had 8gb of vram it wouldn't have been hitching left and right. I'm not advocating to use a $200 gpu for 4k, it wasn't meant for that, a $400-500 gpu sure, or in this case a $1200 one then yes use that for 4k. 970/RX480 performance is better suited for 1080p/1440p gaming.
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The RX480 as an example gets 15 minum and 31fps avg @ 4k in GTA V all maxed (including the unnecessary advanced settings turned up) minus AA. Playable? Yes, enjoyable? Not so much. Turn off the advanced settings and see some gains the actual noticeable graphical difference here is losing a smidgen of view distance, turn the super heavy fps killer that is grass to normal, drop post fx to very high and you have playable gone to enjoyably playable.

That 15 min would easily turn to 30 min if not 40, and you'll average closer to 60 fps. Throw in freesync/gsync as some icing and you have the same playability as someone who dropped $1200 on a GPU. The graphical difference would be minimal, and when would someone care to notice when actually playing the game for its gameplay? I feel like the people who buy these grossly overpriced GPUs do it for e-peen, or they're so anal about graphics quality to the point where they actually just end up enjoying the game less than some guy running the game on low with a crappy pc.

I'm not judging anyone that goes out and buys these cards, but at the same time you're influencing Nvidia to keep pushing the limits as to what they're customers will pay. I'm a $300-500 price range guy when it comes to a GPU and thats a price bracket where a good majority of folks are in as well. The 1070 falls into that range, albeit at the upper end of it, and i refuse to pay $450 for a GPU that should have been $400 maximum. My 970 was around $350 at launch and that was a good value. The 1070 is still pretty good value, but why is it a straight up $100 jump in price over the previous generation card its replacing?

Inflation goes up 2.25% a year, the 970 is almost 2 years old so lets take the $329 msrp of the 970 and multiply it by 1.045 for 2 years of inlation = $343.81. The 1070 MSRP is $379, already its $35 more than what the 970 would have launched at if it was to launch this year accounting for inflation. However, there is not a single 1070 for $379, typically you'd see a reference card for that price, but oh wait the reference cards are now called "founders editions" and they MSRP for $449. It's really brilliant what Nvidia did business wise, but its also anti-consumer, and i wont be falling into that pitfall

rolleyes.gif

You think enthusiasts are willing to compromise that much? It seems you don't understand the target audience of this card.

And yes, you can do all that on some $200 card, get worse FPS and lower graphic settings, or you can buy this card, max the game, and just play. Yeah, going to go with the Titan, thanks though.

You should go play on consoles if you really care that little about performance and graphics. It's cheaper.
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Wrong, i did game at 4k on a friends XB321HK. I cannot say the experience was the best in demanding titles, Witcher 3 was flatout awful even with low settings, and i'd put a good amount of blame on the 3.5gb vram of the 970. If it had 8gb of vram it wouldn't have been hitching left and right. I'm not advocating to use a $200 gpu for 4k, it wasn't meant for that, a $400-500 gpu sure, or in this case a $1200 one then yes use that for 4k. 970/RX480 performance is better suited for 1080p/1440p gaming.

I have the previous Titan, which is about 25-30% slower than the 1080 and I can tell you that 4K gaming is not very good on it. There are many people here that have 1 1080 and still feel 4K gaming doesn't perform as well as they'd like. Most 4K gamers bought two 1080s, which is ~$1400.

If we wanted to play at 30FPS and medium/high, we'd buy a console.
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if I "wanted" 30 fps lock with Med-High settings Id just play GTA5 on PS4 rolleyes.gif with some upscale on a 4K TV rolleyes.gif

I mean why bother with true 4K if you can upscale biggrin.gif
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Lol @ $200 card handling 4K with settings turned down. You'll have to go below console settings for that...
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rolleyes.gif

You think enthusiasts are willing to compromise that much? It seems you don't understand the target audience of this card.

And yes, you can do all that on some $200 card, get worse FPS and lower graphic settings, or you can buy this card , max the game, and just play. Yeah, going to go with the Titan, thanks though.

No of course "enthusiasts" wont compromise that much, but an enthusiast with a brain and the means to buy this card regardless would surely compromise. The mentality required to buy a card like this over say a 1080 for half the price and get nearly the same experience in gaming is the same mentality that gets lottery millionaires go totally broke. That may be an extreme example, but you get the point.
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Get a 480/1060, lock the framerate to 30 and play with a more stable framerate than the consoles and with higher fidelity, in 4K for only $200, doesn't sound to bad to me. Vs paying $1200, a small improvement in image quality, and still not getting 60 anyway.. Hmm, hard choice. rolleyes.gif

If people want 4K/60 @ high-ultra in more than the 1 title it manages to get 60 in, then the only way is SLI/CF, the Titan XP is no exception. A couple 1080's are objectively the better choice for 4K within a "reasonable" budget (rolleyes.gif).

If money is no object then obviously the Titan XP is easily the better GPU, but i don't get how people are saying they'd rather have a single card vs SLI as if they're somehow equal in this case,1080's would wipe the floor with the Titan.. Am i missing something here?

SLI Titan XP's make sense, but damn that price-perf.. redface.gif

 

 

SLI/Xfire introduce performance hits of their own, that long time gamers don't like because it ruins gameplay.

 

 

Some don't have a problem with screen tearing, but they do with jitter, or stutter. As tearing has no effect on your gameplay or character (just looks bad), while both stutter and jitter do.

 

Seems many people will pay a premium to get away from SLI..  so they don't have to worry about their rig anymore, and just use it. 

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