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You "poor" bastards being scrutinized for wasting money by the pleb, just acknowledge that people might have different values for things, where the hell does this elitist attitude come from.

I'm not going to assume you're poor and can't afford it just because you think my ming vase collection is a waste of money.
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You "poor" bastards being scrutinized for wasting money by the pleb, just acknowledge that people might have different values for things, where the hell does this elitist attitude come from.

I'm not going to assume you're poor and can't afford it just because you think my ming vase collection is a waste of money.

Actually, in terms of human psychology, you'd have to think that. People hate on things they can't have to make it seem like the reason they don't have it is because they don't want it. It's the way the brain tries to help you cope with it.

Let me put it this way. If you buy a Lamborghini, and your neighbor comes over to tell you what a huge mistake you made and that these cars lose so much value and you'd have been better served buying a prius. because all a car really needs to do is to get you from point A to point B, and that they're super happy with their Toyota because it was such great value, and you are wasting your money, what would you think of that person?

Now if your neighbor happened to make as much money as you, and had bought a different car, albeit a much cheaper car. Let's say a Jaguar. And he'd come over and say grats on the car, that he had considered a similar car but decided against it for now because it was hard for him to justify spending that much on a vehicle, but it's a hell of a car and he hopes you enjoy it, what would you think of that person?

You see...in one of those scenarios...one person is trying to make you feel bad about something you chose to do with your money, when it has nothing to do with them, to the point that they will come to your hangout spots just to tell you over and over again that it's a stupid car and you shouldn't have bought it. There are a lot of words to describe someone like that. None of them are very nice. I haven't seen a single person here say "Haha. I have a Titan X, and you have to play on a crappy RX 480. Why don't you stop making bad life decisions and get a job and make some money and buy a real computer." Yet I see essentially the opposite of that being said about people who are buying the Titan X. It's nobody's business. If it offends you to see people on an enthusiast forum buying enthusiast parts, then you're on the wrong website. And that attitude won't help you make any friends in real life either.
Edited by HyperMatrix - 8/6/16 at 11:38pm
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Actually, in terms of human psychology, you'd have to think that. People hate on things they can't have to make it seem like the reason they don't have it is because they don't want it. It's the way the brain tries to help you cope with it.

Let me put it this way. If you buy a Lamborghini, and your neighbor comes over to tell you what a huge mistake you made and that these cars lose so much value and you'd have been better served buying a prius. because all a car really needs to do is to get you from point A to point B, and that they're super happy with their Toyota because it was such great value, and you are wasting your money, what would you think of that person?

Now if your neighbor happened to make as much money as you, and had bought a different car, albeit a much cheaper car. Let's say a Jaguar. And he'd come over and say grats on the car, that he had considered a similar car but decided against it for now because it was hard for him to justify spending that much on a vehicle, but it's a hell of a car and he hopes you enjoy it, what would you think of that person?

You see...in one of those scenarios...one person is trying to make you feel bad about something you chose to do with your money, when it has nothing to do with them, to the point that they will come to your hangout spots just to tell you over and over again that it's a stupid car and you shouldn't have bought it. There are a lot of words to describe someone like that. None of them are very nice. I haven't seen a single person here say "Haha. I have a Titan X, and you have to play on a crappy RX 480. Why don't you stop making bad life decisions and get a job and make some money and buy a real computer." Yet I see essentially the opposite of that being said about people who are buying the Titan X. It's nobody's business. If it offends you to see people on an enthusiast forum buying enthusiast parts, then you're on the wrong website. And that attitude won't help you make any friends in real life either.


The problem is that the rising number of such ppl is jacking up the price of "cars" in ur analogy... Maybe they believe the price will stop when you "stop the buying"


Either way, the only dumb-ass I will blame is AMD. nothing else.
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That is false. Even at 4K, if you only have 2x msaa, every time you saw a fence in a game, immersion would be lost. I think someone from amd was quoted that you need to hit like 16k res before you won't need AA anymore.

Do you have the cards yet? Could you run a test with mpc-hc/madvr on a 1080p video on a 4K monitor in full screen

control+J and check if the video is under 40ms

scaling algorithms tab
chroma upscaling : NNEDI3 / 256neurons / anti ringing
image doubling : double luma resolution - always - NNEDI3 256 and double chroma resolution : always - NNEDI3 256
image upscaling : Jinc / anti ringing
rendering tab
dithering : error diffusion 2
uncheck all the trade quality for performance options too

second test with the quadruple luma resolution and quadruple chroma resolution
Edited by czin125 - 8/6/16 at 11:58pm
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The problem is that the rising number of such ppl is jacking up the price of "cars" in ur analogy... Maybe they believe the price will stop when you "stop the buying"


Either way, the only dumb-ass I will blame is AMD. nothing else.

That's like me blaming everyone else for buying houses and inflating housing costs....saying that if no one bought them, they'd sit on the market longer and prices would drop. As I've said numerous times, Nvidia's price increase for the Titan X is ridiculous, and I'm hoping AMD can come out with a product to challenge them on performance and price, because it will be good for all consumers. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that the Titan X is far more powerful than any other single gpu solution out there.

On the plus side, in terms of the economics of it, the more profitable a product segment gets, the more enticing it becomes for other entrants. Whether that be Imagination Technologies (which I would love to see happen!), or a company like Intel deciding to invest heavily into AMD. But outside of that...a $599 GTX 1080 isn't really overpriced considering an HTC Vive or a 165Hz 1440P monitor costs $800.
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You know, I've thought about it before. The fact that I show off about what I got. And I realized it's not about saying I have money. But about saying how much I understand and love technology that I am willing to spend this much on it. I'd never show off my car or my house, which cost substantially more. And we show off about our custom loops, and our crazy overclocks, to show off our passion. You don't see anyone showing off about running a stock 6950x, despite it costing $1700.

What I've noticed, however, is that we're under attack by people who don't want to or can't afford this technology. And they spend all this time trying to make us feel bad about ourselves and about our purchases to make themselves feel better about not being able to afford it. To me, that is the bigger problem. Not that I show off what I got, and what I OC'd it to. Because this is an enthusiast community. The problem is all of those people who try to question my "sanity" for spending this much money on a couple video cards, or trying to pretend a 4 core CPU is actually better for gaming than an overclocked 6950x. Go through the Titan X threads. A third of the comments are from people who keep saying it's a waste of money, it's stupid because 2 rx480s are better, etc etc...

I don't care if you can only afford a $600 PC. Just don't try to crap on me because I have what you don't.

 

Respectfully disagree 100%. It's not some one-sided situation where people spending tens of thousands are mocked and jeered. There is plenty of arse-kissing that takes place towards the big-spenders, and I see plenty of those same big-spenders deriding others as you yourself did in your post. That's the attitude that draws the ire. "I'm put upon for being rich and it makes me so sad, don't be jealous just because you're poor and a peasant." Unless you're completely tone-deaf you've got to understand how that comes off. Perhaps it's just a cultural thing but I've always believed that those working from a position of strength should be graceful about it. You can buy the latest and greatest whenever you want without consequence. You should feel secure in that. You're not oppressed. 

     
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Do you have the cards yet? Could you run a test with mpc-hc/madvr on a 1080p video on a 4K monitor in full screen

control+J and check if the video is under 40ms

scaling algorithms tab
chroma upscaling : NNEDI3 / 256neurons / anti ringing
image doubling : double luma resolution - always - NNEDI3 256 and double chroma resolution : always - NNEDI3 256
image upscaling : Jinc / anti ringing
rendering tab
dithering : error diffusion 2

second test with the quadruple luma resolution and quadruple chroma resolution

I don't have a 4K monitor, unfortunately. I can't make that switch until 144+ FPS is attainable at 4K. Hopefully by the next Titan. Also as a side note, I can't use madvr. Causes too many application hangs with GPU acceleration during frequent seeking.
Edited by HyperMatrix - 8/7/16 at 12:04am
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Respectfully disagree 100%. It's not some one-sided situation where people spending tens of thousands are mocked and jeered. There is plenty of arse-kissing that takes place towards the big-spenders, and I see plenty of those same big-spenders deriding others as you yourself did in your post. That's the attitude that draws the ire. "I'm put upon for being rich and it makes me so sad, don't be jealous just because you're poor and a peasant." Unless you're completely tone-deaf you've got to understand how that comes off. Perhaps it's just a cultural thing but I've always believed that those working from a position of strength should be graceful about it. You can buy the latest and greatest whenever you want without consequence. You should feel secure in that. You're not oppressed. 

Or you know...perhaps people are starting to get defensive about the whole situation because of all the constant attacks on a daily basis. And I'm not rich by any means. Driving a 9 year old bmw, house is only worth half a mil, and starting a new business that has me pretty much tapped out. I just put value on technology, and I want to enjoy it. When I see guys in the other thread talking about their porsches and ferraris, I don't hate on them for being successful. I'm happy that even though they're successful, they still haven't given up their love for technology and PC hardware.

I don't get why people are mad that more people are flocking to and providing incentive for companies to advance gaming technology. As AMD and Nvidia get bigger, they can invest more, and put out better cards. But if there's no real financial incentive, they'll keep peddling the same crap. At least now, they've found a base that will buy the top end card at a ridiculous price, as long as there is a sizable performance increase. So they end up having to push for new architecture and new nodes. And everybody ends up getting access to some amazing hardware at a pretty good bargain. Just look at the GTX 1070. That price...that performance...it makes entry into high-end PC gaming so easy.

Not everyone can have the highest of everything. Right now, I have a 5960x. I'd love to upgrade to a 6950x, but I can't justify the cost. But I don't get mad at other people for buying it. In fact, I've been recommending the chip to people. It's all about how you look at things. Don't be petty. Understand that we all love technology. And we should support each other in getting as much out of that technology as we are capable of or willing to at the time. I have friends that I built PCs for and I recommended the GTX 970 to them. I was so excited that they were getting into PC gaming. I didn't hate on them. Because there's nothing to hate about them getting a GTX 970. But when people start attacking you for buying more expensive cards, sometimes you can't help but attack them back. But it needs to stop.

Honestly, I think anyone going into a discussion on a product thread and just "negging" the product and the people who buy it, should be reported. It's not helpful to the community.
Edited by HyperMatrix - 8/7/16 at 12:12am
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Anyone able to test those settings on mpc-hc/madvr?
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I don't have a 4K monitor, unfortunately. I can't make that switch until 144+ FPS is attainable at 4K. Hopefully by the next Titan. Also as a side note, I can't use madvr. Causes too many application hangs with GPU acceleration during frequent seeking.
144/60 = 2.4x performance

Might need two generations of 1.6x to get those frames on a single gpu?
Edited by czin125 - 8/7/16 at 12:23am
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Anyone able to test that?
144/60 = 2.4x performance

Might need two generations of 1.6x to get those frames on a single gpu?

SLI of course. Right now these cards are pretty much good for 165Hz+ 1440p, assuming no CPU bottleneck (which DX12 will fix). Titan OG -> Titan X was roughly a 2x boost. Titan X -> Titan XP is also roughly a 2x boost, once we get it under water with a custom bios. If the same trend follows for the next card, that'll mean 150fps 4K. And that'll fill out 144Hz 4K gaming just fine.
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