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post #21 of 35
I bet that sfx psus will overcome regular atx psus faster for itx builds than so dimms on mobos over regular slots.
post #22 of 35
How stable are these Thermaltake PSUs typically?

Been spoiled by 12mV or less ripple on EVGA PSUs, really wish they'd do SFX versions of some of their higher end models.
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Well, there are industrial ITX boards with SoDimms already, and so are smaller 4x4 format boards for both consumer and industrial applications...

For the vast majority of consumer grade ITX boards, regular 288 DDR4 slots fit fine, and users have access to cheap 16GB dimms for up to 32GB onboard...what would SoDimms allow ontop of that? s2011-3 Quad Channel if you could squeeze 4? Too little return for the hassle.

The SFX PSU on the other side, allows for lots of flexibility in sizing cases, so IMHO there is a stronger incentive. Your "bet" has been settled long time ago.
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It's most likely the exact same Enhance unit so no hopes there. It's not even that bad, just not as good as some other units.

Hard to beat the SF600 (haven't seen SF450 measurements) which pulls 80 Plus Platinum efficiency when only rated for Gold and is less expensive than the Silverstone units.

The problem isn't the efficiency, the problem is the fan profile and the resulting noise. Gold to platinum on a 600W unit makes for a negligible savings at the end of the year. What matters is voltage stability, ripple and other stuff, not efficiency as a thing.

I neglected to state these things but there's measurements for those as well and they're very good as well.

 

SF600: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=477

 

SX600-G: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=395

 

Quick summary: Corsair SF600 has better voltage regulation, no power on spike (SX600-G has one small enough that still passes ATX spec), better ripple suppresion and a larger (quieter) fan. Also more efficient in both cold and hot tests at most if not all loads (for those who care). Price is about the same.

 

The 80 PLUS platinum is just a "bonus" per se of the unit.

 

And any efficiency rating honestly makes no difference to consumers, it's more of a semi-QC thing. Anandtech made an article awhile ago comparing cost savings between different 80 PLUS rating power supplies and the savings were negligible so no argument there.

 


 

Realistically the SF600 competes more against the SX700-LPT (ignoring that 100W difference. For those using a SFX PSU in a system with 2+ GPUs maybe it could cause problems but SFX PSUs are usually used for single-GPU mITX systems). I haven't seen any very detailed measurements for the SX700-LPT so we'll have to wait on that.

 


 

Anyways, once we find out the price of the Thermaltake units that will give us an idea of value. If it's the same price of less than than the Silverstone equivalents then it's a fantastic deal.

 

Silverstone only has 3 year warranties in North America on their SFX PSUs compared to the 7 year warranty. Even though it won't matter to some it's some extra value/incentive over Silverstone.


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Well, there are industrial ITX boards with SoDimms already, and so are smaller 4x4 format boards for both consumer and industrial applications...

For the vast majority of consumer grade ITX boards, regular 288 DDR4 slots fit fine, and users have access to cheap 16GB dimms for up to 32GB onboard...what would SoDimms allow ontop of that? s2011-3 Quad Channel if you could squeeze 4? Too little return for the hassle.

The SFX PSU on the other side, allows for lots of flexibility in sizing cases, so IMHO there is a stronger incentive. Your "bet" has been settled long time ago.
Yes and no, think about dtx motherboard standard or itx asus impact mobos with vrm on seperate pcb sticking out of main board. so dimms are damn small, and there is not much free space on itx motherboard anyway. So dimms would save a lot of it. I would also like to see so dimms finally hitting the atx motherboards as they are also getting pretty much occupied by all sorts of chips. Its time to move on from regular size and finally downgrade it.
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I bet that sfx psus will overcome regular atx psus faster for itx builds than so dimms on mobos over regular slots.

we can only hope, i don't really see the point in adhering to ATX PSUs for low-power models.
considering that an SFX-L has plenty of room in it, even while considering the cooling capacity.

furthermore, SFX can be used on ATX slots by using ATX-SFX bracket plates, theres hardly any compatibility issues either.
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why only one 6+2 with 600 watt?
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I neglected to state these things but there's measurements for those as well and they're very good as well.

SF600: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=477

SX600-G: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=395

Quick summary: Corsair SF600 has better voltage regulation, no power on spike (SX600-G has one small enough that still passes ATX spec), better ripple suppresion and a larger (quieter) fan. Also more efficient in both cold and hot tests at most if not all loads (for those who care). Price is about the same.

The 80 PLUS platinum is just a "bonus" per se of the unit.

And any efficiency rating honestly makes no difference to consumers, it's more of a semi-QC thing. Anandtech made an article awhile ago comparing cost savings between different 80 PLUS rating power supplies and the savings were negligible so no argument there.

Realistically the SF600 competes more against the SX700-LPT (ignoring that 100W difference. For those using a SFX PSU in a system with 2+ GPUs maybe it could cause problems but SFX PSUs are usually used for single-GPU mITX systems). I haven't seen any very detailed measurements for the SX700-LPT so we'll have to wait on that.

Anyways, once we find out the price of the Thermaltake units that will give us an idea of value. If it's the same price of less than than the Silverstone equivalents then it's a fantastic deal.

Silverstone only has 3 year warranties in North America on their SFX PSUs compared to the 7 year warranty. Even though it won't matter to some it's some extra value/incentive over Silverstone.

SX700-LPT is garbage. The fan is load-controlled only... meaning that if you have a computer with bad airflow (and small systems fall in that category, most of the time) you will have power failure problems because at low loads the fan won't even start.

Yup, I have no idea how exactly do you not consider the fact that the fan should also be temperature controlled.

But well, what can you expect from Silverstone? A company that sells the same products for no less than 5 years and never does revisions of any sorts.
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why only one 6+2 with 600 watt?

It's one cable with two 6+2 pin connectors, the author seems to have misunderstood how it works. The article comments noticed the error as well.
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we can only hope, i don't really see the point in adhering to ATX PSUs for low-power models.
considering that an SFX-L has plenty of room in it, even while considering the cooling capacity.

furthermore, SFX can be used on ATX slots by using ATX-SFX bracket plates, theres hardly any compatibility issues either.

I am fully aware of that, but im thinking about atx case with purposely made place for sfx psu. Somewhere in front, or different place and saved space can be used for additional data storage or .. radiators wink.gif
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