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This product is not meant for the "common" folk, same way Ferrari's isn't for the average Joe. If it goes out of stock, which it will, they are actually pricing it below what the market will bear. Everyone wants to live in a capitalistic economy until it stops benefiting them.

This isn't water or electricity, this is a videocard. You're not going to die if you can't afford this.
 
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If the new Titan X is 30% faster than a 1080, how much faster is it compared to a 980 Ti?



http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Titan-X-Pascal-12GB-Graphics-Card-Review/Witcher-3-Wild-Hunt
Dang, 29% over sli 980s, it might be time to pass these cards on to the kids.

Edit to add: the value compared to other current gen cards doesn't add up, but it des when you look at what i paid for my 980s 2 years ago. Its amazing how fast technology moves sometimes. I wish that CPUs were seeing these types of gains too, but itel is either almost tapped out or knows they can dish it out slow like without any competion. Please AMD, answer back with a beast card and some competitive CPUs soon.
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God can people stop talking about HBM 2.... and saying things like especially... Memory does Nothing to boost frames NOTHING I understand full chip will be faster but stop confusting people with HBM2...

HBM2 greatly reduce power consumption, helps the card stay cooler, indirectly helps overclocking, allows for more shaders/CUDA cores to be fully utilized, reduce the size of the card, increase thermal transmission, and reduce latency.

Nvidia themselves said in their Pascal presentation "Efficiency IS performance" HBM2 can increase efficiency by up to 40% (assuming it is more efficient than HBM1 which could reduce power draw by 30%) so you are factually wrong, corrected by Nvidia and this without taking all the other benefits I mentioned above into consideration nor the fact that games like the new Mirror's edge could see a 25% jump in performance by just increasing memory speed on many cards, or Fallout 4 loving high bandwitch cards and a considerable amount of games that tend to favor Memory Bandwitch almost as much as core clock, especially in beefy cards.
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As a matter of fact I am doing graphics programming... just letting you know.

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Low level APIs like DX12/Vulkan working on games that make use of 6GB of VRAM or more will just increase the importance of high bandwitch memory, if anything people should be extremely excited for HBM2 as this changes the way every GPU works for the better, DIRECTLY and indirectly increasing performance, overclocking, thermals, latency, power consumption, efficiency and allowing for incredible 5 inches flagships, a revolution for the SFX/Packed mini ITX market.

Besides 40% of extra efficiency gained (From a hypothetical GDDR5 350W TDP card down to 250W TDP by just using HBM2) means bigger DIEs before new node shrinks, HBM could make possible the use of interposers to connect several DIEs into one package (think of NAVI Scalability/Multi core CPUs), architectures designed for higher clock speeds with more power dedicated to the core and less to the memory controller/Memory Stacks.

Increasing performance into the same thermal package is huge, enthusiast cards tend to max out at 300W, with HBM2 a 300W Volta would be hypothetically as powerful as a 400W TDP Volta without HBM2, allowing for up to 40% faster enthusiast GPUs for the high end market that tops out @ 300W TDP for single cards.

One thing is certain, HBM2 excites me more than the Titan XP.
Edited by Dargonplay - 8/3/16 at 6:17pm
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But this Titan isn't even a halo product. It's a cut down version of the second largest/fastest Pascal die. There's no HBM2. The stock cooler is a bottleneck. It's only 30% faster than the 1080. FP64 has been gutted as well.

Nvidia likes to hype up the Titan as using cutting edge technology and being the most advanced GPU ever but the only thing that isnt pedestrian about the card is its price.


Buy what you want to float your boat but this Titan X ain't a halo product.


I don't know how long you have been in the industry but 1000+ plus Gpus aren't exactly new, though outside of the Titan line I cant think of any 1000+ single gpu cards for gaming.

At 35% faster than the 1080 for 500 usd more within a short time of release, that seems pretty standard for high end products.
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It's almost twice as fast as a 980ti stock for twice the money and one year later and it's a cut down chip. *sigh* AMD has nothing, nothing annonced, nothing that will match it and price will keep going higher and higher until it's like what's happening on the cpu side. I'm so sad the gpu market is like this and you guys are all drooling over it.
post #156 of 410
Blaming AMD for the high prices Nvidia is throwing out there is like blaming cops for crime. "There's only crime b/c the cops don't have a presence there." Ya, that's the reason. It has nothing to do with those actually committing the crimes rolleyes.gif
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Wrong info
Wrong info
Wrong info
One thing is certain, HBM2 excites me more than the Titan XP.

What are you smoking? HBM's advertised power reduction is on the memory subsystem. For a 290X @ 250W maybe 50W of it was due to the 512-bit GDDR5 bus. Replacing the 50W memory subsystem with a 30W one wont suddenly make the rest of the GPU draw less power.

Also, "dies" refer to the silicon die. It's not an acronym.

Edit:

GP104 also gains very little from memory overclocking. Why do you think Titan XP with its even larger bandwidth to FLOPS ratio would gain anything?
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This thread is a shambles, what with poor mens tears left and right.
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It's almost twice as fast as a 980ti stock for twice the money and one year later and it's a cut down chip. *sigh* AMD has nothing, nothing annonced, nothing that will match it and price will keep going higher and higher until it's like what's happening on the cpu side. I'm so sad the gpu market is like this and you guys are all drooling over it.
Don't AMD have a $1500 card out now?
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What are you smoking? HBM's advertised power reduction is on the memory subsystem. For a 290X @ 250W maybe 50W of it was due to the 512-bit GDDR5 bus. Replacing the 50W memory subsystem with a 30W one wont suddenly make the rest of the GPU draw less power.

Also, "dies" refer to the silicon die. It's not an acronym.

Edit:

GP104 also gains very little from memory overclocking. Why do you think Titan XP with its even larger bandwidth to FLOPS ratio would gain anything?

I'm smoking math, What about you?

My post refers exclusively to enthusiast cards/High end cards, HBM1 which is still less efficient than HBM2 could reduce the TDP of the Fury X by 25W if we assume the fury X was to consume 300W just like the 390X which is still very conservative and a 325W would be more likely to happen with anything but HBM1 on the Fury X.

Mind you we're talking about 4GB of VRAM and yet it could reduce its TDP to 275W, this number will be near DOUBLE with 8GBs of VRAM which is the new standard for the high end, and 12GB for the enthusiast segment, and this is HBM1 which is LESS efficient than HBM2 and it would still increase efficiency by 75W on a 12GB card, HBM2 could easily make it up to 100W on the same 12GB card.

Enthusiast cards need wider buses, memory compression on Pascal have reached a point where more than 95% of everything shown on screen is already compressed, there's little improvement to be done now, wider buses and/or higher frequencies (higher frequencies increase TDP more than wider buses) are necessary for Volta.

It as a pleasure to prove you wrong, can we do this again soon? wink.gif

Oh, and regarding your grammar attack, I apologize, English is just my third Language, I still can't speak/write it perfectly, thanks to yours and everyone's corrections I'm getting there.
Edited by Dargonplay - 8/3/16 at 6:57pm
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