Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [TP] SoC Powering Xbox One S Leverages 16 nm FinFET from TSMC
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TP] SoC Powering Xbox One S Leverages 16 nm FinFET from TSMC - Page 2

post #11 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucdan View Post

Ever since GloFo spun off from AMD, they've been crap; for their CPUs and GPUs. AMD should be sticking to TSMC and Samsung. If Vega is slated to be made in GloFo, I can honestly say that this generation for AMD will be lackluster until Navi and hopefully AMD learns.

lachen.gif

That is not going to happen, EVER.
post #12 of 36
TSMC is what AMD GPU's need.
Skylake 6700k
(5 items)
 
3770k ex-system
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K 4.5ghz 1.21v GA-Z77X-UD5H GeForce GTX 660 Ti WINDFORCE 2X OC 16GB Gskill Sniper 
Hard DriveCoolingPowerCase
M4 128gb SSD Hyper212+ Antec BP550 Plus CM Storm Enforcer 
  hide details  
Reply
Skylake 6700k
(5 items)
 
3770k ex-system
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K 4.5ghz 1.21v GA-Z77X-UD5H GeForce GTX 660 Ti WINDFORCE 2X OC 16GB Gskill Sniper 
Hard DriveCoolingPowerCase
M4 128gb SSD Hyper212+ Antec BP550 Plus CM Storm Enforcer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucdan View Post

Ever since GloFo spun off from AMD, they've been crap; for their CPUs and GPUs. AMD should be sticking to TSMC and Samsung. If Vega is slated to be made in GloFo, I can honestly say that this generation for AMD will be lackluster until Navi and hopefully AMD learns.
GF 14nm will be a 1 to 1 copy of Samsung's 14nm fab. And current AMD GPU dies are made by Samsung if I'm not mistaken.
TSMC has a less dense but more power efficient node that could serve AMD well but it won't fix all their problems.
post #14 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by EightDee8D View Post

lachen.gif

That is not going to happen, EVER.

Zen will answer that.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Zen will answer that.
40% ipc increase is still not enough for people to not call it a fail, regardless of how they price it.

and the fact GCN has hardly improved 7-9% perf/tflops in last 5 years tells us they haven't learnt anything from faildozer.
post #16 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by EightDee8D View Post

40% ipc increase is still not enough for people to not call it a fail, regardless of how they price it.

and the fact GCN has hardly improved 7-9% perf/tflops in last 5 years tells us they haven't learnt anything from faildozer.

@looncraz has done some pretty extensive number crunching in regards to where it sits performance wise. Zen if it goes according to his numbers should sit above Haswell in IPC if I remember correctly. I think it will do a bit better than that, but we'll see.

You also have to remember that the people who will say that 40% increase in IPC in one generation isn't very good are also the same people who are impressed by a 4% increase in IPC when Intel moves to a new generation.
Big Timmah
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 5 1600 Asrock x370 Killer SLI/AC Sapphire Radeon Nitro Fury CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
PNY 480GB SSD PH-TC12DX Black Windows 10 Pro LG 29inch Ultrawide 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K70 Thermaltake SMART M Series 850W NZXT S340 White Steel ATX Mid Tower Case Wireless Logitech thing 
Mouse Pad
With a supple pad  
  hide details  
Reply
Big Timmah
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 5 1600 Asrock x370 Killer SLI/AC Sapphire Radeon Nitro Fury CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
PNY 480GB SSD PH-TC12DX Black Windows 10 Pro LG 29inch Ultrawide 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K70 Thermaltake SMART M Series 850W NZXT S340 White Steel ATX Mid Tower Case Wireless Logitech thing 
Mouse Pad
With a supple pad  
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robenger View Post

@looncraz has done some pretty extensive number crunching in regards to where it sits performance wise. Zen if it goes according to his numbers should sit above Haswell in IPC if I remember correctly. I think it will do a bit better than that, but we'll see.

You also have to remember that the people who will say that 40% increase in IPC in one generation isn't very good are also the same people who are impressed by a 4% increase in IPC when Intel moves to a new generation.

Not only it has to hit IPC but it also has to clock well. Haswell IPC is pretty pointless if it can't clock nowhere close to Haswell clocks.
My home PC
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Threadripper 1950x Gigabyte Aorus X399 Gaming 7  MSI Geforce GTX 1080ti Gaming X G.Skill DDR4 3600 CL16 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung Evo 840 500GB Samsung 960 Pro 500GB Noctua NH-U14S TR4 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2711 Samsung 55" 4k Corsair K70  EVGA SuperNova G2 1300W 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide Air 540 Logitech G502 Denon AVR-X3300W 
  hide details  
Reply
My home PC
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Threadripper 1950x Gigabyte Aorus X399 Gaming 7  MSI Geforce GTX 1080ti Gaming X G.Skill DDR4 3600 CL16 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung Evo 840 500GB Samsung 960 Pro 500GB Noctua NH-U14S TR4 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2711 Samsung 55" 4k Corsair K70  EVGA SuperNova G2 1300W 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide Air 540 Logitech G502 Denon AVR-X3300W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robenger View Post

@looncraz has done some pretty extensive number crunching in regards to where it sits performance wise. Zen if it goes according to his numbers should sit above Haswell in IPC if I remember correctly. I think it will do a bit better than that, but we'll see.

You also have to remember that the people who will say that 40% increase in IPC in one generation isn't very good are also the same people who are impressed by a 4% increase in IPC when Intel moves to a new generation.
I know what kind of people will call it a fail. and they will always do.

Even if what you pointed out about ipc is true, there's another issue of low clocks too. anyway i'll be happy even if they can deliver 4930k clone for cheaper. but that's just me tongue.gif .
post #19 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kpjoslee View Post

Not only it has to hit IPC but it also has to clock well. Haswell IPC is pretty pointless if it can't clock nowhere close to Haswell clocks.
Well even if it clocks terrible it could still be sold in the server/ultraportable market if efficiency is high
post #20 of 36
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfej View Post

I have a strong feeling that it's much easier said than done to just port one architecture design from one fab to another. I don't know if it's possible to do that and have it come out before Vega and not be a total disaster.

AMD has switched fabs before but it was TSMC 28nm to GF 28nm with Kabini\Temash to Mullins\Beema which the same SOC just made at a different fab with upgraded firmware and a few things that already were on die enabled like ARM TrustZone. Anyways you are probably right that it would take some time, but seeing as AMD already has done most of the work on the basic building blocks they would just need to put them together in a different config than the Xbox One S SOC (yeah I know it is a bit more complicated than that). This is pretty much what AMD and Nvidia already do, they make building blocks for GPU's and then make different sized configs.
Edited by Utroz - 8/3/16 at 4:06pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [TP] SoC Powering Xbox One S Leverages 16 nm FinFET from TSMC