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The big hurdle was getting the SoC from 28nm planar to 16nm FF.

I would imagine going from GloFo FF to TSMC FF would a lot easier than another going from planar to FF.
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I'm actually very interested in Zen and Vega, but whether or not i buy either depends on their performance of course. However, Zen also really needs to impress with IPC, even though multithreaded applications are the future for obvious reasons.

Playing WoW which is a very cpu dependent and single threaded game (a bad combination) i cannot manage 144fps in highly populated areas, im lucky to get 60fps, CPU sits at 40-45% capped with my 4.2ghz 4670k. I'm sure if the game used all 4 cores to their maximum there would be no issues, but that simply just will not happen with this game. I know if i were to upgrade to a 6700k and put it at 4.6ghz i'd see some noticeable gains, but it still wouldn't be quite enough.

My gut tells me Intel will keep their IPC crown vs AMD, but by how much who knows. All i know is i won't be buying a 4 core cpu for a new build. AMD is going to offer an 8 core for $300-400 with Zen, and the hope is Intel offers an 8 core in that range too. Things are going to get exciting again with some competition in the market, provided Zen doesn't faildozer itself into the ground.
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I was under the impression that AMD only designs it and Microsoft pays a license to build and use it. As in, if AMD has a deal with glofo, this wouldn't indicate anything or mean AMD is going to have anything to do with tsmc this gen. Right?
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I was under the impression that AMD only designs it and Microsoft pays a license to build and use it. As in, if AMD has a deal with glofo, this wouldn't indicate anything or mean AMD is going to have anything to do with tsmc this gen. Right?

Probably the reason it's TSMC. AMD probably is still forced to use GF 14nm.
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post #25 of 36
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Probably the reason it's TSMC. AMD probably is still forced to use GF 14nm.

Would tsmc even be able to produce AMD chips anyway? They've got Pascal, the iPhone A10, now the xbone s, that's already a lot on their plate I imagine. I don't have any idea how large their production capacity is though
post #26 of 36
With an order in the tens of millions, I'd imagine they'd figure out a way to take care of it. I'd imagine they could expand a decent amount without building another "factory."
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The wafer supply agreement from 2009 was one of AMDs biggest mistakes. This mistake was further compounded by the fact that the 10 year agreement was amended and extended to 2024 doh.gif

Would love to know what % of the GPU product volume sourcing commitment is reserved to GoFlo...
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The wafer supply agreement from 2009 was one of AMDs biggest mistakes. This mistake was further compounded by the fact that the 10 year agreement was amended and extended to 2024 doh.gif

Would love to know what % of the GPU product volume sourcing commitment is reserved to GoFlo...

What year was it extended?
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The wafer supply agreement from 2009 was one of AMDs biggest mistakes. This mistake was further compounded by the fact that the 10 year agreement was amended and extended to 2024 doh.gif

Would love to know what % of the GPU product volume sourcing commitment is reserved to GoFlo...

Yes GF has been late with every process it has had so far and yields and clock speeds have been issues as well, I am hoping that by acquiring IBM's manufacturing division that GF gets some much needed tech and high level engineers to help them get the best processes they can for AMD. IBM had and now GF has a nice 22nm FDSOI process that AMD should have used for CPU's years ago if they had access to it. I hope the amended agreement states that GF has to hit certain performance and yield marks or they loose money and AMD can go to other fabs like TSMC.
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Hopefully all that money TSMC gets, go into expanding production. But better lithography are also necessary.

Or maybe 10nm will use transistor that are easier to make? I think Intel's FinFet are especially difficult to make, not just because they are smaller that TSMC's.


Edited by G woodlogger - 8/4/16 at 7:04am
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