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My main gaming right for quite a while was an 860K OCed to 4.5Ghz and an OCed 280X. That is the top gaming performance one can expect from FM2+ and believe me, it is not enough. The moment I got an i5, there was an immediate raise in FPS in every game. And we're talking games from the last 3-4 years. Future games will choke hard on FM2+. I don't like it, I'm a huge fan of FM, it's a great platform, but it is not meat for high-mid range gaming. Casual gaming, Mario Kart, Minecraft, Telltale games - fine. Nothing like Witcher 3 or GTA though. Even SC2 takes a big drop on FM2+.

Those that know me can tell you I'm an AMD guy, no doubt about it.
For most anything else I would say get one of the high-end FM2+ chips and go for it but since we're talking about gaming I have to say Intel would be the best for your intended useage.

I have to agree with the above, FM2+ is great for alot of things and certainly makes for a good daily driver machine and last week I setup an FM2+ system with a 7870K and Crossblade Ranger for the wife to use and she loves it. Loaded Linux Mint and off it went without a problem so FM2+'s are an idea setup for most any daily use.

However..... If wanting a setup for gaming, it's simply not up to task like an Intel would be period.
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You can't buy anything for AM1 that wouldn't horribly bottleneck a 970. You can make a very nice HTPC/general use PC with AM1, but that's as far as it goes.

With FM2+, you can get an Athlon 8x0K processor which is entirely useful, even for gaming, but a 970 is a little more GPU than people normally pair with those. An overclocked 8x0K processor at 4.5 GHz can match a stock Sandy i5 in many use scenarios, but that's the best CPU that will ever be available for that socket. My high-end FM2+ rig is a very nice machine, but when its performance is no longer satisfactory, I'll have to upgrade the whole system, since AMD reneged on its promise to bring Excavator to this socket (except in the form of the 845).

Since you'd have to buy more DDR and an Athlon X4 in order to use the FM2+ board you have, I'd recommend just getting the i3-6100 and a motherboard, and using the DDR4 you already have on hand. If you're going to have to spend the money either way, get the stronger platform.
     
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You can't buy anything for AM1 that wouldn't horribly bottleneck a 970. You can make a very nice HTPC/general use PC with AM1, but that's as far as it goes.

With FM2+, you can get an Athlon 8x0K processor which is entirely useful, even for gaming, but a 970 is a little more GPU than people normally pair with those. An overclocked 8x0K processor at 4.5 GHz can match a stock Sandy i5 in many use scenarios, but that's the best CPU that will ever be available for that socket. My high-end FM2+ rig is a very nice machine, but when its performance is no longer satisfactory, I'll have to upgrade the whole system, since AMD reneged on its promise to bring Excavator to this socket (except in the form of the 845).

Since you'd have to buy more DDR and an Athlon X4 in order to use the FM2+ board you have, I'd recommend just getting the i3-6100 and a motherboard, and using the DDR4 you already have on hand. If you're going to have to spend the money either way, get the stronger platform.

Indeed, with this route I'd get an i7 6700k in a few years without having to upgrade the mobo, and 6700ks will probably be cheap on Ebay at that time.

Off topic: is it OK to pair RAM sticks together with elastic bands? For selling purposes. I have lots and lots of old RAM, but no original packaging :/
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Indeed, with this route I'd get an i7 6700k in a few years without having to upgrade the mobo, and 6700ks will probably be cheap on Ebay at that time.

Off topic: is it OK to pair RAM sticks together with elastic bands? For selling purposes. I have lots and lots of old RAM, but no original packaging :/
I figured you would probably want to upgrade at some point, and that's a huge point in favor of just about anything over FM2+ at this time. The 845 and the 860K are a fantastic price/performance value, but it's also a dead end.

As far as the RAM goes, I've bundled sticks together with rubber bands before and it's never harmed any of them, but I don't think it's considered best practice.
     
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Honestly, I would look for demoware/refurb/used parts. Every time I need something like that, usually I can find a "new" set of cpu+mobo for around 150€, with an i3 of 3-5 generation + some cheap common motherboard. If you dont necessarily need to have the latest bling, I would buy something used, but fairly recent, so you have adequate performance for a very low price. Just dont try ebay auctions, the incompetent idiots there manage to overpay on every auction, ruining perfectly good price/performance ratio.
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Honestly, I would look for demoware/refurb/used parts. Every time I need something like that, usually I can find a "new" set of cpu+mobo for around 150€, with an i3 of 3-5 generation + some cheap common motherboard. If you dont necessarily need to have the latest bling, I would buy something used, but fairly recent, so you have adequate performance for a very low price. Just dont try ebay auctions, the incompetent idiots there manage to overpay on every auction, ruining perfectly good price/performance ratio.

Yeah I've never taken part in auctions, but when some things are like £2, it can't hurt to try and snipe it biggrin.gif
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Yeah I've never taken part in auctions, but when some things are like £2, it can't hurt to try and snipe it biggrin.gif

Sure, but don't get your hopes up! I remember when the 970 was still the mainstream upgrade variant, and the 3,5gb scandal only started I was thinking of maybe getting a used one on ebay from disappointed sellers for a lower price then getting a new one. I monitored ebay for 2 month, and all used cards went for 270+€, while a new one sold for 320. Insanity!
post #18 of 21
I say get the 860k and put that saved money into a few new games. thumb.gif
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Get the 860k and save your money. The 860k will be good for a few years and by then you can buy even better Intel/AMD processors

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Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/g6Qybv/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $119.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The i3 will be 80% more expensive

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CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($55.38 @ Newegg)
Total: $180.37
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Get the 860k and save your money. The 860k will be good for a few years and by then you can buy even better Intel/AMD processors

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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $119.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The i3 will be 80% more expensive

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/B8Y4bv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/B8Y4bv/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($55.38 @ Newegg)
Total: $180.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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As an owner of an OCed 860K, a lot of game struggle with it already. And FM2+ has terrible resale value, while an i3 can be sold for a decent price. Meaning, if he goes AMD now, it will be like having to buy a whole new PC - CPU, mobo and RAM, for full price in a few years. While going with the i3 means he will have to chip in a little extra more a year from now and get an i5 for a full gaming experience.
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