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post #11 of 19
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A stock MSI EK 1070 has a draw of ~200W, The (base) overclock has a draw of ~300W (outervision #s). SLI them and just the 1070s alone would be equal to a 600W PSU. My existing build had an 850W that was flaky with low power issues that was resolved by swapping in the 100W P2.

I appreciate the thought though.
post #12 of 19
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A stock MSI EK 1070 has a draw of ~200W, The (base) overclock has a draw of ~300W (outervision #s). SLI them and just the 1070s alone would be equal to a 600W PSU. My existing build had an 850W that was flaky with low power issues that was resolved by swapping in the 100W P2.

I appreciate the thought though.
I dont know where you get those numbers from becasue they are just wrong.
A GTX 1070 does not draw more then 150 watts at most so 200 watts alone is wrong and 300 watts is ridiculous

Your old 850 watts must have been crap not able to do anywhere near its rated wattage becasue 850 watt should be more then enough.
Someone is feeding you misinfomation or something.

Edit: ah i see the problem now you are using outervision so stop doing that

Why all online PSU calculators are wrong and is total bogus
Edited by shilka - 8/8/16 at 2:50am
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post #13 of 19
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Your old 850 watts must have been crap not able to do anywhere near its rated wattage becasue 850 watt should be more then enough.
Was a Corsair rolleyes.gif

As a PSU is most efficient though 50%, a 1000W PSU covers usage through 500W easily plus headroom. Pretty much all of the 10x reviews had overclocked SLI draws in the 400W range. At this point I don't want to have to change the PSU every time I add anything new because i grabbed a lower wattage PSU. Been there done that.
Edited by Recumbent - 8/8/16 at 8:06am
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That does not mean it was good as even Corsair has had rubbish or had/have broken units
But again every single one of those numbers you stated are wrong and they are nowhere near what you get in the real world

I have no idea where you get those numbers from but you have been grossly mislead and misinformed or you misunderstand the numbers
Modern PC hardware uses far less power then you think it does and the whole system you are talking about building with OC on everything will draw LESS then 600 watts

I am trying to help you not make fun of you or troll you as it seems you are under some misconceptions based on bad or misunderstood data.

50% Load Myth

Edit: 1000 watts is still way overkill for a system that draws 500 watts you can get a 750/850 watt and still have tons of power to spare
Newer hardware uses less and less power not more so buying that wattage will make it more and not less overkill

Save some money and step down a little bit
No one is saying you need to get a 500 watt because thats what the system will use, just saying there is no need to buy twice or more the wattage you need.
Edited by shilka - 8/8/16 at 8:23am
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post #15 of 19

Recumbent, eXtreme Outer Vision's PSU calculator is extremely inaccurate these days (ever since they replaced their GOOD one with this bad one on August 1st 2015). It's usually 200-400W above the actual. I'm quite serious. There's really no longer a way too get their so-called "calculator" to give reasonably accurate calculations. It's really just a money-maker now for PSU manufacturers. So, please avoid it.

 

A GTX 1070's power consumption is extremely low at just a few watts more than the GTX 970. Adding that pre-installed EK water cooling system doesn't increase its power consumption enough to worry about it. Then the i7-6700K's power consumption is also very low, even when overclocked.

 

With two GTX 1070s in SLI and an overclocked 6700K, you could still power that with a good high-end 550W PSU if you had to. I'm only telling you this so that you understand that you do not need to spend a fortune (read: "waste your hard-earned money") on a huge PSU. You could have all the power you could ever need with a good high-quality 650W PSU. Or, if you absolutely insist on more overkill, then go with a good 750W PSU instead. Just, don't be foolish and waste your money!

 

What was the exact model of that 850W Corsair PSU? Corsair makes some crappy PSUs too, by the way. They have a wide range from really crappy to very good. Which one did you have?

 

The 50% load thing is referring to your average power consumption. You do NOT want to size your PSU so that your maximum power consumption lands at 50% unless that maximum power consumption will be happening 24/7. For a gaming rig, you want to size the PSU so that the maximum power consumption lands at around 85-90% of the PSU's advertised capacity. This way, your average power consumption will land at the PSU's sweet spot which means your average efficiency will be maximized as much as possible. EVEN SO, today's good PSUs (the ones that we recommend) have EXCELLENT efficiency throughout the PSU's entire range - so this is really no longer something to worry about!

 

Are you worried about your PSU's longevity? Don't. You're going to be investing in a good PSU, so you have nothing to worry about. These PSUs are built like tanks! They can take anything you can dish out and they just shrug it off while wondering if that's all you got.

 

Replacing the 1000W P2 with the 1000W T2 isn't an upgrade unless you are desperately seeking ways to reduce your electricity bill. A higher 80+ Certification doesn't mean the PSU is of higher quality. The only way to judge the quality of a PSU is by looking at professional PSU reviews, such as on JonnyGURU.com. You can also just ask us here on OCN.

 

All we are trying to do here is help you spend less money on the PSU so that you can put it toward something else. Like Shilka said, you could spend nearly $150 less and you'd still have all the power you need.

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post #16 of 19
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Understood on the PSU and the discussion has been insightful (thanks to both of you and especially Shilka). With $800 of Walnut or Mahogany (the boss decided she didn't want Cherry and is going back and forth on Walnut) to buy it all helps.
post #17 of 19
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Understood on the PSU and the discussion has been insightful (thanks to both of you and especially Shilka). With $800 of Walnut or Mahogany (the boss decided she didn't want Cherry and is going back and forth on Walnut) to buy it all helps.

 

She may be seeking your help with making a decision.

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post #18 of 19
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She may be seeking your help with making a decision.
I'd be happy with Mahogany or Sapele but then I'd have to repaint the room to avoid having a red toned desk in a red walled room.....
post #19 of 19
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So I've done a fair bit of redesign. But here is some work in progress - broken up by various hiatus' due to work.
**Edit to add the new sketchup models:


Front view showing desk.Essentially we have a cabinet with inner case. The desk top will be either be a single piece worktop (or a custom mahogany one). Cabinet will be cabinet grade mahogany plywood.


Top view


Door removed.


Exploded view with inner case moved to the side. It runs on 300lb pantry slides so should be pretty solid.


Let's try this layout again with the correct bottom piece....


Glueup for the MB tray and PS supports


Looks like the rads and dvd drives will all fit on the top....


Inner case with motherboard tray mounted.


Inner case side


Inner Case Rear


Trying different placement for the Monsoon Res....


Trying different placement for the Monsoon Res....


Fans in place for a test fit of the top. All looks good. Metal strip is the top of the pantry slide so that this entire inner case can be slid out of the actual desk for work/draining etc.


Side view of the above shot


Where I am now. Aquero, Splittys, Hubby and Monsoon res are all in place and the the fans and rads are done. Next up is the tubing and cabeling.
Edited by Recumbent - 5/3/17 at 6:17pm
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