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Hello, wall of text incoming.

I am making a new build, and I am quite curious to try my hand at overclocking, which I had no experience with. Been stalking these forums for a while now.

I am upgrading from an aging HP i3 2120 + HD 7750 combo, as the gpu died recently and I am taking a chance to overhaul everything.

After weeks of research and evaluation, I am still unsure about my choices.

I am not an hardcore gaming by any means, I still have a 720P monitor and HD 7750 was enough for my needs; the upcoming RX 460 should fit me nicely.

My big doubt is about which Motherboard/CPU/Cooler combo to get, so I am here.
Keep in mind I am budget oriented, don't want features I am not going to use.

I do multitask heavily and use Virtual Machines often (although two at the same time tops), so I was oriented to the FX series rather than FM2+/Intel i3 choices.

In the spoiler you can see the prices of the parts I can get, if you want:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I have access to these CPUs:
  • FX 8320E that I got for 113€ discounted, can still return it. Is a PGS batch, manufactured in June 2016(!).
  • FX 6300 for 92€, I am quite confident is a recent batch as shop seems to restock very often.
  • FX 6350 + Wraith for 140€
And motherboards:
  • Gigabyte 970A-UD3P Rev 2 for 82€
  • Gigabyte M5A78-USB3 for 55€
Cooling solutions (can get these prices ONLY if I get 6300):
  • Arctic Freezer A30 @28€
  • Be Quiet! Shadow Rock LP @32€
Otherwise:
  • Cooler Master GeminII M4 @40€
  • Scythe Katana 3 @26€
  • Scythe Katana 4 @32€
  • Arctic Freezer A32 @34€
  • Scythe Shuriken Rev. B @36€

In short, I want to push either FX 8320E (1606PGS batch) or FX 6300 AT THE VERY LEAST 4.3GHz to no more than 4.5 GHz, which seems to be the soft spot for heat and power consumption (?). I am NOT going to push over 1.4V, as it seems it will degrade components further than that (?).
I want the hardware to last at least a couple of years and not become an heater, so I am not going to invest into expensive cooling and push higher overclocks.

From my research on these forums: There is a 50€ difference between a 6300+M5A78 configuration and 8320E+UD3P, so I am very interested in a M5A78 + 8320E sweet spot.

I question if I will use the 8 cores, and I understand the M5A78 would be stressed less / less heat and power consumption by the 6300. On the other hand, 8320E SHOULD be more future proof?

They say 8 core parts can also be pushed to 4.1-4.2 GHz on the latter board, and according to THIS and THIS it has failsafes and I can reach at least 4.4 GHz?
ON THE OTHER HAND a friend of mine was running a FX 8350 on an Asrock 990FX-Extreme3 and experiencing throttling at stock, which is a similar VRM design I guess?

I read that proper VRM cooling is required; I am going like this, would that be considered "enough" to push 4.4-4.5?:
  • My case is an Antec GX500, I have outtake fans on the top, intake on the side blowing on motherboard, and rear outtake as of this guide.
  • I am going to use either a Scythe Shuriken Ver B or a Scythe Katana 3 to keep vrm and NB cooled (I heard Katana 4 does that as well, could not find confirmation). Otherwise, I can go for Arctic A32 and blow air with the stock AMD fan. Which option is best?

Lastly, will I have the same overclock on either motherboard at 1.4V?

Edit: Quick question if you want to skip the above, is a FX 6350 w/ Wraith worth a 20€ difference with a FX 6300 + Scythe Katana 4.
Will the:
  • Higher binning
  • Wraith top-down design ability to cool VRM (14 degrees drop on VRM and northbridge compared to tower)
Make the difference between reaching or not 4.5 GHz at 1.4V?

Thanks a lot for your help, I know it is a lot of text.
Edited by Ferd - 8/5/16 at 9:35am
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Hi!

If it was me I would go with the 95 watt 8320E, the 970A, and the Arctic Freezer A32. Why?

You talk about multitasking and 8 cores are better than 6.

The 970A is less bad than the M5A78 and should be more stable. It has more VRMs and a larger heat sink. This means it will take longer to overheat.

The AC32 has the most heat pipes and the best fan, so it should deliver the best cooling.

As to the 6xxx, the 6350 + Wraith is much better than the 6300 + Scythe Katana 4. It is a better CPU that will require less voltage to reach a certain clock and the Wraith is the better cooler anyway.

That is a nice case but I always recommend front to rear air flow and lots of it. The fan layout you describe has too much exhaust and not enough intake. Moving the top exhaust to front intake should deliver better cooling as top exhaust has never worked for me.
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Hey, thanks for the reply!

I actually have two fans on top, can move one to the front.

Unless I'm mistaking you for someone else I've read you pushed an 8 core to 4.6 GHz using the A30, A32 should be 5 degrees cooler in general (or so claims Arctic? could not find comparisons), do you remember how much voltage was that?

I've read that highly binned 8 core parts (my PGS batch hopefully biggrin.gif) can reach at least 4.3 MHz on stock voltage, at lower voltage of standard 6 cores, is there any credibility to that?

Lastly since you seem to have experience with my combo, was there an overclock that worked for you 24/7 at tame temps, could that cooler handle 4.6 GHz / settings higher than 1.4V (I've read that in general 1.4V is the "does not really impact hardware life" and a 1.5V is the air cooling safety limit setting, is that correct?) without additional cooling safely ?

Sorry for these other questions, thanks a lot again thumb.gif
Edited by Ferd - 8/5/16 at 11:50am
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I second the 8320E. I would defiantly go with a higher end Mobo if you can for 2 reasons. #1 they will almost always overclock better and have more tuning options, and #2 Virtualization!!!

I have an 8320E currently...my serenity build in my sig below. I fully plan on upgrading into a Zen some time middle of next year. So what will become of serenity you ask?

I plan on buying 2 RX460 or equivalent cards and splitting this beast into two separate virtual machines. In order to do so you will need a mobo that can support 3 GFX cards. One to run the NAS (i have an old Firepro V4900 Workstation card for this) that initializes the Virtual machines, and one gaming quality card for each machine you wish to Virtualize.

When i am done i will have two completely separate E-sports quality rigs playing on 4 CORES...8GB ram...and a single RX-460 Virtualized through a single tower and my Firpro Card using Unraid. Perfect set up for my 2 adolescent kids to game side by side with, and not a bad way to get some more life out of an AMD rig running on nearly 5 year old tech now.

Does this apply to you? Maybe. Its a great way to get some slick side by side gaming when family and friends come over. There are several videos that explain how to do it. More importantly though is the FX-8320e can be found at FX-6300 prices on the regular if you are patient and look for sales. thumb.gif
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Oh wow, that DOES sound interesting! No idea it could be done!

As for the FX, here in italy FX 6300 goes for AT LEAST 100-105€, got 8320E for 113€ so that was a great deal I could not pass on, whetever for selling it or building! Although, there is a nice store that sells FX 4300 for 60€.

Goes for 136€ on amazon and ebay thumb.gif

Sadly UD3P is already pushing my maximum budget VERY far... this build evolved from A8 7670K to Athlon 845, Athlon 860K, until finally the AM3+ series biggrin.gif although this is so much more of an upgrade over my i3-2120 and should last me a good while...

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Edited by Ferd - 8/5/16 at 4:41pm
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Oh wow, that DOES sound interesting! No idea it could be done!

Sadly UD3P is already pushing my maximum budget VERY far... this build evolved from A8 7670K to Athlon 845, Athlon 860K, until finally the AM3+ series biggrin.gif although this is so much more of an upgrade over my i3-2120 and should last me a good while...

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That looks really handy for cyber cafes, lan parties or sharing a pc for sure! Sick setup for your kids redface.gif
Edited by Ferd - 8/5/16 at 4:34pm
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I have ab old a 8350 running on a MSI 890 FXA GD 70 at 4.2 Ghz with Noctua c14. You are limited to about 160 watts off the cpu. It has no problem with a GTX 690. I ran 4 6770s it. If you do something like that need at least 800 watt pwr supply. A crosshair 4 will also work. You can get a GD 70 for about 459 USED. the crosshair IV are about $90. The GD-65s do not as much going them for in in the VR department.
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I'd recomend you the 8 core with 970ud3p

Also get some cheap tower collers like evo212, etc cause you want to oc and better cooling means more oc
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If you insist on keeping a fan on top, then make it the front top fan blowing in as an intake fan. I do have one fan there now.

Ya that sounds like me with my first attempt at overclocking. It was an early 8350, 16 gb of G Skill ram, and a Gigabyte UD3 rev 3 motherboard. With the A30 it got to 4.5 ghz and with the MSI GD80 motherboard it got to 4.6 ghz stable.

The UD3 ran it at almost 1.4 volts stock so OCing it was easy.

1) Turn off all power saving options including turbo. There are 6-7 of them in the bios.

2) Bump up the multiplier one step at a time and see if it runs. Mine got to 4.6 ghz where it would not boot into windows.

3) Back off one click and then stress test and trying different cpu voltages. I ended up at 4.5 ghz with the cpu voltage at +0.025v or one click up from stock. That turned out to be 1.4 volts for 4.5 ghz and that was the thermal limit.

The UD3 rev 3 had poor VRM cooling and they got so hot that the warped the board, which pulled the heat sink away from them so they ran hotter still. I RMA'd it then. The 970A should do a little better especially with a cool running 8320E.
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