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well it shouldn't at al unless firmware is trash, which is definitely possible so i wouldnt be surprised
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

well it shouldn't at al unless firmware is trash, which is definitely possible so i wouldnt be surprised


I think these latency tables are of very limited use/insight without testing latency in-motion..
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Added more data, made a bunch of corrections. Everything is on the spreadsheet now.

I'm having some trouble with the bar chart's size and readability. I can't seem to find how to have the bars be of a fixed size and still have all of them show up, along with having scrolling. I can only fit it within my browser window and the rest of it adjusts itself which is pretty limiting. Can anyone here help with that?
post #34 of 244
How do you use the software?
It counts down from 6 to 1 and then I have to double click for it to register something. But it always shows some 100s of milliseconds.
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How do you use the software?
It counts down from 6 to 1 and then I have to double click for it to register something. But it always shows some 100s of milliseconds.

You have to bump the the left-click of one mouse with the right-click of another, and it'll tell you which one is faster and by how much. It will take a bunch of attempts to get it right and then another bunch for consistency.

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Using it is pretty straight forward: bump LMB against RMB of the other mouse.
Note that the left mouse button of either mouse is A and the right mouse button of either mouse is B. So when you switch the mice bumping by L/R buttons, the winner will change from A to B or vice versa (assuming one mouse is always faster than the other with both buttons).
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Originally Posted by the1onewolf View Post

Good stuff.
Although I'm actually surprised the G900 has more click latency than the g402, 303 and etc.
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You have to bump the the left-click of one mouse with the right-click of another, and it'll tell you which one is faster and by how much. It will take a bunch of attempts to get it right and then another bunch for consistency.

thats the reason why, g900 and gpro and g303 have spring for buttons.

You should not bump for a click latency test, I've been following rafa since 1-2 year. He actuate them with one switch. So you get the latency between the switch actuation and the PC.

http://blog-imgs-48.fc2.com/r/a/f/rafaut/measurement01.jpg

http://blog-imgs-48.fc2.com/r/a/f/rafaut/testingmethods.jpg
post #37 of 244
Why shouldn't you bump for the latency test

If you bump hard enough, it's going to be obvious when the switches actuate differently and you can throw out outlier cases. plus the existence of outlier clicks is useful information. I had really weird problems playing TF2 with my DA 3.5g that was starting to wear out beyond use, and I learned that it was because clicks randomly actuated something like 10ms-20ms later than normal, or something like that, because the switch was so worn out.
post #38 of 244
If you bump it really fast, you will still have a little difference because 1ms is really fast, If one switch is harder than the other, the harder switch will actuate after the softer one.

So the harder switch has the extra ms it takes to actually travel the softer mouse to actuation
post #39 of 244
That's part of the latency you get with a particular mouse, and it's *definitely* going to be smaller than 1ms, unless you're really not hitting them fast at all.

There's also "which mouse is polled first"; unlike mousetester motion latency tests, which accidentally correct for polling rate differences, click latency is sensitive to this. on my super old laptop, unplugging and plugging back in my mice gave different polling phases in mouse tester, and slightly different average button latency differences. this is a bigger problem than whether or not you're opening up your mouse.
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Originally Posted by wareya View Post

That's part of the latency you get with a particular mouse, and it's *definitely* going to be smaller than 1ms, unless you're really not hitting them fast at all.

There's also "which mouse is polled first"; unlike mousetester motion latency tests, which accidentally correct for polling rate differences, click latency is sensitive to this. on my super old laptop, unplugging and plugging back in my mice gave different polling phases in mouse tester, and slightly different average button latency differences. this is a bigger problem than whether or not you're opening up your mouse.

The thing is that the graph is mixed with rafa numbers using his method. also its unfair to give the softer mouse the advantage of only calculating the actuation VS the harder mouse testing his own full actuation with travel to hit the actuation
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