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Hi modders.so as I've been searching for sleeved cables for my ss-1000xp psu I found that no retailer support this model anymore unless I pay 400$ at modding.com whicham is ***.I decided to do it the hard way.Im wiring from scratch.

Some analysis first:
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Case and seasonic ss-1000xp. Gtx 980 ti windforce.
Cables I want to sleeve:
- 10x SATA III 6Gbps blue color (50cm each)
- motherboard 24 pin cable (70-80cm)
- dual 6+2 pin pci-e cable (12 pin to 2x 6+2pin))(60cm or 80cm if it's safe to run this length)
- quad-sata power cable (for my caged disks(planing on getting the 4th soon)(recommend me a length for this one as I'm uncertain)
-triple sata power cable( for my 5.25 inch ODD as I recently purchased 2 new one)(recommend a length again)
-Cpu cable 4+4 eps (65cm-70cm)

What I don't want to sleeve:
-fans cables
-front pannel connectors (maybe extensions later on)

files:




I've got my psu pin out from overclock.net pin out thread and I got a picture of the of my psu connectors side from techpowerup.com(naming for picture right)

Style:heatshrink less with blue-black theme

My questions:-as you noticed my psu have a 18+10 input for the m/b which is a big deal for me.I saw lutro0's video about this and I'm afraid of replacing both wires with a single one like he did. (The Y shaped way)what's the safest way to deal with those?
- what's different between telios and mdpc sleeving? What type should I go with and why.
-does I really need an expensive crimper in the 50-80$ range? (That's almost half my budget) or its okay to use a 20$ one?
-my psu come with 16awg cables.does it mater if I use 18awg?where do I find 16awg wire for sleeving that fits as a 18awg one other than mainframecustoms?
-is it possible to use a 5-sata single power cable?or its unsafe. Is quad sata even safe?
-give me a possible list of tools needed other than a crimper(I'm lost in all of this )
-where to find aluminum combs?
-how to get the rainbow effect on those cables?without breaking the bank of course.

Thanks in advance and I hope I'll get any reply/help on this.
Edited by Eliomiller - 8/8/16 at 12:09am
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1. Double Wires
It's safe to adopt Lutro0's Double Wire technique, but relating to Q4, if you can't find a pinout that tells you then it's worth molesting the motherboard end of the 24pin cable to see what gauge the double wires are since Seasonic KM3 cables have something like 16g/20g pairs, which will make it easier to insert the signal wire into the wire being measured. Also try to make the join at the motherboard end of the cable and plan how you will clamp the cable there on the backplane.

 

2. Teleios vs MDPC
Teleios may just have the edge over MDPC in terms of stiffness and workability but it's a very small margin if it exists at all. In the end its about your color preference and price and availability.

 

3. Crimper
For a single job - crimping about 100 Mini-Fit terminals - you can probably get away with a SN-28B triple jaw. There's quite a few cheap ones on Ebay these days. Have a look at the model for sale at ModDiy and then choose one that looks the same. Otherwise go for a PA-21 Engineer generic crimper that will save you endless moments of fumbling around trying to get both crimps in position without nudging the wire. If you are going to be sleeving the front panel later you will need another crimper for the Dupont terminals and any JST PH and XH connections and the PA-09 model will do that job just as easily. Get some extra terminals for practise to avoid crushing the crimps and there are plenty of instructional videos online.
 

 

4. Wire Guage
As long as you are not using 3mm sleeving (Teleios and MDPC are 4mm) both 18g and 16g are easy to work with so I would stick to the gauge Seasonic have chosen. Now if you really have the ss-1000xp (and not an xp2 or xp3) then you have ATX colored wires in the Seasonic cable set. If you can remove the heatshrink binding the sleeves on the cable set and get a magnifying glass you should be able to read the awg gauge of every wire. This should give you the length of wire you need in each gauge and then its just matter of finding a good (%recommends) supply of UL1007 wire on Ebay to suit you color scheme and put 10ft on your final lengths.

 

5. Sata Power cables
An inline Sata power chain can handle up to 5 HDDs without problems and if any of them are SSDs that would be better. If you have room for them in your HDD cage it's worthwhile getting a 3.5-2.5 caddy for each SSD so that it can be wired the same as everything else. Wire all 5 contacts in each connector and build the chain for the entire cage. Use 16awg wire for this as 18g will be too loose leading to lost connections and drives forced offline. Cut the insulation at the first connector, pull it clear of the connector, push the bared wired to the bottom of the twin jaws and pull the insulation back, then cut, seal and glue any sleeve in place over the insulation up to the next connector and repeat on the other four wires, then cut the insulation and start again. This is a job best done on the HDD cage itself - it helps if you have enough drives to fill the whole cage but as long as you have two you can dot and carry from one connection to the next. As well as requiring accuracy and consistency it is important not to cut the insulation short at all, it's better to have the wires between connectors slightly slack because plugging a chain onto the cage needs enough slack between the connectors to allow one to be almost plugged and one almost unplugged. If you can get hold of some 5pin male and female Mini-Fit connectors you can make your Sata Power Chains independent of the power source both in terms of its distance from the HDD cage and the connector at the PSU. Here in the UK we have a key site for all modders, RS Components, if you enter the search term, Mini-Fit, you'll see lots of different connectors and terminals available at good prices - perhaps you can find a similar supplier locally. Most of them are white or transparent but can be dyed any color you want with Idye Poly in a few minutes. You could enhance your Blue/Black build with matching blue connectors!

 

 

6. Sleeving Tools
For tools you need a lighter, a Lutro0 style flush cutter, a craft knife, preferably the X-Acto X2000 and a pack of genuine X-Acto blades, a wire stripper - the Knipex is the preference but a reasonably priced Automatic Wire Stripper will allow you to strip the wire below 5mm which the Knipex can't, while you can make your own Mini-Fit depinner out of paper clips if you have a hammer and a 1/16AF hexagon key, a depinning tool for 'Molex' connectors isn't so easy to bodge together. A pair of needle nose pliers, scissors and a miniature vice grip could also come in handy and no toolkit would be complete without a roll of masking tape. In addition I have a few special bits : a bent and filed piece of nail to use with the vice grips as a prodder for Inline Sata Connectors; a pin for marking the cutting point on sleeve, another piece of nail for use with the vice grips as a spike; a piece of aerial sawn lengthways with a hacksaw for heatshrinkless melting without getting burnt (see below). If you choose to follow Lutro0's double wire method, of course, you will also need a soldering iron and some solder.

 

 

7. Cable Combs
Mainframe Customs do a nice line in aluminium cable combs at reasonable prices.

8. The Rainbow Look
The rainbow look is really about precision when laying the cable path and keeping sleeving clean. The reason I suggested adding 10ft to your cable lengths is that - especially with the 10/18 Seasonic ATX outlet - the ammount of wire crossing at the PSU can seriously affect how the cable loops behind the system tray and the more length you can give to that part of the cable the better it will train and look. Getting the length of wires in a cable right is best done by taping up the cable as you want it to lay and then measuring what you find afterwards. It doesn't matter if the wires in a cable differ a little in length, especially if you design its path so that each loop is complemented. Weak masking tape won't affect the shine on the sleeving.

 

 


Edited by Himo5 - 8/13/16 at 6:44am
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Its a lot for my brain! Thanks for all of this.ill be getting the following :tools: -pa21 crimper as its much better than mfc one.
-mfc depining tool or any depining tool from amazon with good rating under 10$.
-paracord threader (is it really necessary???)
-helping hand for double wires
-ive got a chinese stripper already that i use on everyday wires
-flush cutter from amazon.
-x acto knife u recommended with its blades.
I already have soldering kit, tape and a chinese stripper that I already use on everyday wires with no problem.not talking about lighters around here.
If you have anything to say about this list to add or remove ill be glad to hear this

For the material:
-1 black or shade 33m of mdpc 4mm sleeve
-1 blue or dark blue 33m of mdpc 4mm sleeve
-1x18 pin female connector
- 1x10pin female connector
-1x 24 pin female connector
-2x 12 pin female connector
-2x 6+2 pin female connector
-1x 4+4 eps connector
-2x 6 pin connector
-2x sata power connector (for the end of the cable)
- 5-6 sata inline power connector (all connectors will be blue if I manage to do it. Nice idea !)
-UL007 quality wire from any shop(50m at least)
-30x 5 molex original long wings terminals (female)(no idea where to get those)
-10x 6gbps sata 3 50cm cables
-heatshrink (no idea how much but for the sata power(if needed) and data cable.)
As of the sata power id like to not use glue as im pretty bad with it.any other way?
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An alternative to glueing the segments of sleeving in place would be to get some 3mm sleeve just for this job and be really exact with the way you cut and seal it (so it tapers into the part where there is only room for the insulation). You should be able to find some that matches your 4mm blue on Ebay. Either that or don't sleeve the chain and make sure your wire colors match.

 

The yardstick I use for Teleios sleeve is that 223mm will stretch 6mm over 16awg wire and 10mm over 18awg, so for 100m of 18awg you'd need 96m of sleeve and for 16awg you'd need 98m - which has always meant to me that I need as much Teleios as I have wire.

 

Getting your wire requirements for gauge, length and color right is the key to the whole project and I do urge you to check and copy the gauges used in the Seasonic cables, especially the doubled wires. There's nothing like a determined effort to visualize and measure the result you want to give you the confidence to see a project like this through to completion.

 

I'm presuming the two 6Pins are for Sata Power and would advise getting an extra one in case you want to make up a peripheral power connection later for fan hubs etc. The inline connectors have short caps or long caps depending on whether they are for the middle or end of the chain. You may have trouble finding them in white, in which case ModDiy is a fallback supplier and you can get on with the other cables while you wait for it to arrive.

 

If you're not going to a specialist supplier like Mainframe Customs then a search on Ebay for Mini-Fit Terminals will get you supplied.

 

You need a good supply - say 8ft - of 2:1 non-glued heat shrink for melting the sleeve on 100 connections. If you're going by Lutro0's method you'll probably be using the same size as for Sata Data, about 8-10mm. The method I use (as in the last post) uses 4mm. The needle nose pliers are ideal for stretching heat shrink to get over the connector housings and can stretch it again even after it has been activated.

 

Heat shrink is virtually impossible to dye to a satisfactory color and sleeve is difficult but insulated wire and plastic connector housings dye very quickly - in fact, in either case you need to string each batch together so you can lift it out of the dye bath after every 15 seconds to test the shade it has reached - and that means spatter proofing throughout the kitchen, a place to examine and change the batches and rubber gloves. It also means if you are going ahead with connector coloring, get your supply of Sata heat shrink first and make that your color base.

 

 

Here's a sleeving routine that should get the job done for you.
Once you have all your wire lengths and the pin numbers they belong to worked out you can start. Cut sleeve and wire off the reel as you go, rather than cutting all the pieces at once.
1. Measure and cut the wire exactly from post to post but only strip and crimp one end.
2. Seal and taper the sleeve and mount it on the wire up to a position no further than the end of the wire crimp.
3. Stretch the sleeve back along the wire until you have the ideal taughtness and coverage and the sleeve is still in position at the crimped end.
4. Find the other end of the wire through the sleeve by holding it up to the light and push a pin through the sleeve over the end of the wire.
5. Loosen the sleeve, pull it away from the wire far enough to cut it against the pin then seal and taper it and pull it back onto the wire.
6. Now plug the pinned end the right way up into the connector it will occupy in the finished cable and mark the orientation of the pin at the other end.
7. Strip and crimp the second end of the wire according to its orientation.
8. Melt the sleeve over the first pin until you see the sleeve bubble, shape and remove the shrink then stretch the sleeve and melt it over the second pin.
9. Fit the sleeved wire into its destination pins.

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Right now what ive found on sale:-all tools have been found at various retailer
-ive found original terminals for 9 bucks, ill get 150 for this price at MFC
-found most connectors between moddiy and MFC.ill get them on black as it will fit the scheme
-found the sleeves from mdpc(33m each color=66) still need to see if i can get mdpc sata between 5 and 10m or its not worth it and im better getting 25ft telios for sata data cables.
-Im thinking of geting the sata power cables at cablemod as its cleaner and wont cost more than this anyway (put your opin7opinion on this)
What Im struggling to find is ul007 cables and sata 3 50cm data cables...i saw ul007 at mfc and for my need i need a freaking 80$worth of cables:/ if i cant find anything better ill have to get some genuine cables from seasonic for some bucks and modify and sleeve them :/...for sata cables I need 8-10 ones and for 4$ each i don't know if it is a good price.im just looking at some bulk pricing for 25-30
-heatshrink in small quantity as most sellers sell too little or too much and im not using heatshrink as i prefer heatshrinkless look.ill use some for the sata cables only.
Do you know where to get those basic cables at a good price? As its probably x3 than the sleeving.thanks
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post #6 of 32

My favorite search on Ebay for Sata Data cables is MSI Sata Cable which brings up the 50cm White Sata 3.0 MSI Cables which can then be dyed to the required color instead of having to be sleeved - you just have to seal the contacts. Other searches can be made for Sata 3.0 which will also find other low price sources.

 

You will have better luck if you search for UL1007 wire, instead of ul007.

 

Are you sourcing heat shrink for the melting process in the heatshrinkless method?

 

If you're thinking of a source for ready made Sata Power Cables ModDiy is a good place to start for ready made chains. It will give you a standard to measure your local market by.

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Oh,my bad I was searching for the wrong cables lol.what about this"seal the contact?you mean like tapping it to protect from the dye?.and for the heatshrinkless method id prefer to use the less possible quantities of heatshrink.
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This cavity needs to be filled with sellophane or tissue paper to prevent the dye getting on the contacts in the boiling dye bath. Great care has to be taken because the walls of the cavity are very fragile in a situation where it is being stuffed with material but at the same time you have to make sure the stuffing won't fall out.

 

I think I saw a thread in Cables and Sleeving some time back about a heatshrinkless method that didn't use heat shrink to melt the sleeve, but I'm so comfortable with the usual method I didn't take much notice of it.

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Ive found this seller at ebay but the price seems too good to be true http://m.ebay.com/itm/252239524617?varId=551068766088
Is this supplier would be ok for the wire buying?
Im thinking about getting the sata power cables at cablemod but will there be a noticeable difference in the quantity of the sleeve? If so im better going through the hasle of doing them myself.
I still need to find affordable heatshrink for sata data cables.will look at lutro0 ones.
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Amazing, isn't it? But you find as you select color, gauge and length so the price goes up, however, $11 for 20m is pretty good. Pay attention to the %Positive Feedback and number of sales, I like to keep mine above 99%/1000 if I can find one.

 

I haven't seen an inline-style Sata Power cable from Cablemod, so I presume they supply the 15Pin connector style. If that's the case then with four drives you are going to have a lot of looped up wire around your drive cage - even more than your existing cables would produce. Personally, if I was not going to include Sata Power Cables in the project, I'd prefer a plain, short, unsleeved black inline chain with a 5pin MALE connector integrated with the drive cage to make it the device that you sleeve up to.

 

 

You need 2:1 heat shrink 10mm OD shrinking to 5mm. Just do a search on Ebay for Heat Shrink and you'll get even more sources than wire.


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