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hi!
i dont know if i have posted in the right forum....
my father wants to upgrade his old pc, as its really old. Its proppaly better to buy a new one,
but my father plans to buy a really good one in the future (6months or so).
Right now he needs the current pc to work, as the soundcard broke, and he wants to use his 5.1 speaker system.
while buying a new soundcard he plans to upgrade the gpu/graphic card also... to get better sound and movie experience/movie/pic quality..

he doesnt play any games, and only want to watch hd 1080p movies, surf on the internet and such.
the pc itself is really slow right now, cant remember if it was always that slow.

the spec of the current pc:


Model : Dell Dimension 8400
Chassis : Dell Mini Tower
Mainboard : Dell 0J3492
Bus(es) : X-Bus PCI PCIe IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Total Memory : 3GB DIMM DDR2
Gpu: Geforce 6800
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz (3.39GHz/3.4GHz, 2x 1MB L2)
Memory Controller : Dell Dimension 8400 4x 199MHz (796MHz) FSB, 2x 1.5GB DIMM DDR2 2x 265MHz (530MHz)
Logical Storage Devices
Hard Disk (C:) : 373GB (NTFS) @ SAMSUNG HD403LJ (400.1GB, SATA300, 3.5", 7200rpm, 16MB Cache)
Hard Disk (G:) : 74GB (NTFS) @ WDC WD800JD-75JNA0 (80GB, SATA150, 8MB Cache)
Hard Disk (F:) : 153GB (NTFS) @ Hitachi HDS722516VLSA80 (164.7GB, SATA150, 3.5", 7200rpm, 8MB Cache)

price: best for the buck

i dont really know but, can his current gpu watch hd movies ? will it be better if he upgrade it ?
right now he just want good sound and movie experience.
can you guys please recommend some good cards?
and if there is some recommended parts to upgrade to make the pc faster ur welcome to recommend them to me tongue.gif

i have been looking at these, how will these do ?:
gpu:
https://www.komplett.se/product/853671/datorutrustning/grafikkort/pci-express/msi-geforce-gt-730-4gb-physx-cuda
or
https://www.komplett.se/product/858074/datorutrustning/grafikkort/pci-express/msi-geforce-gtx-750-ti-1gb#

soundcard:
https://www.komplett.se/product/608554/datorutrustning/ljudkort/asus-xonar-dg-ljudkort
or
https://www.komplett.se/product/833259/datorutrustning/ljudkort/creative-sb-audigy-fx-ljudkor
post #2 of 29
How about posting the Service Tag number so we can look at the whole configuration.

Or even better, you go to Dell's website and run their "Detect Produce" app and post the results for us.
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Any video card you put in that machine will be severally bottle necked by the Pentium 4. In other words, you will still have the same performance issues you have now with a new card as the Pentium 4 is the main bottleneck of the system and anything you do to try and improve it will be wasted money.

After looking up the board, it is only capable of running Pentium 4's, no Pentium D or core2 type processors. So I'm pretty sure the CPU is pegged at 100% doing basic tasks like web browsing let alone playing HD video, especially since it's running Vista.

Save up the money for the upgrade as anything you spend on it now will get you no where. I would look into an AMD APU solution as that would be the best upgrade for his needs.


A format and reinstall of the OS would be the only thing worth trying to improve the performance of the machine, else you'll be wasting money.
Edited by XAslanX - 8/8/16 at 7:20am
post #4 of 29
XAslanX has pretty much the best answer...................

If you have a car with a tiny motor, putting bigger wheels on it won't make it go any faster!
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post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by XAslanX View Post

Any video card you put in that machine will be severally bottle necked by the Pentium 4. In other words, you will still have the same performance issues you have now with a new card as the Pentium 4 is the main bottleneck of the system and anything you do to try and improve it will be wasted money.

After looking up the board, it is only capable of running Pentium 4's, no Pentium D or core2 type processors. So I'm pretty sure the CPU is pegged at 100% doing basic tasks like web browsing let alone playing HD video, especially since it's running Vista.

Save up the money for the upgrade as anything you spend on it now will get you no where. I would look into an AMD APU solution as that would be the best upgrade for his needs.


A format and reinstall of the OS would be the only thing worth trying to improve the performance of the machine, else you'll be wasting money.

This person is wise, listen to him OP.
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post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

How about posting the Service Tag number so we can look at the whole configuration.

Or even better, you go to Dell's website and run their "Detect Produce" app and post the results for us.

General Information
Service Tag 1MSWF1J
Express Service Code 3555579943
Computer Model Dimension 8400
BIOS Vendor Dell Inc.
BIOS Version A03
BIOS Date 10/11/2004
OS Version Microsoft Windows 7
Processor
Manufacturer Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
Clock Speed 3.4Ghz
L2 Cache Size 1024
Memory
Available Memory 35.97 %
Page File Size 6,138.7MB
Available Page File 72.22 %
Virtual Memory 6,138.7MB
Available Virtual Memory 50.55 %
CHANNEL A DIMM 0 512.0MB
CHANNEL B DIMM 0 512.0MB
CHANNEL A DIMM 1 1,024.0MB
CHANNEL B DIMM 1 1,024.0MB
Network Card
Adaptor Description
Adaptor Description
Adaptor Description
Storage
Drive C:
Type 3
Drive Size 931.4GB
Total Available Space 745.5GB
Used Space 185.9GB
Drive D:
Type 5
Drive Size
Total Available Space
Used Space
Drive E:
Type 5
Drive Size
Total Available Space
Used Space
Drive F:
Type 3
Drive Size 153.4GB
Total Available Space 24.6GB
Used Space 128.8GB
Drive G:
Type 3
Drive Size 372.6GB
Total Available Space 56.8GB
Used Space 315.8GB
Drive H:
Type 5
Drive Size
Total Available Space
Used Space
Hardware
Type Description
DVD/CD-ROM Drives HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B ATA Device ELBY CLONEDRIVE SCSI CdRom Device Optiarc DVD RW AD-7173A ATA Device
Disk Drives HDS722516VLSA80 ATA Device SAMSUNG HD403LJ ATA Device WDC WD10EZEX-08M2NA0 ATA Device
Display Adapters NVIDIA GeForce 6800
IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers AHCI 1.0 ATA Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F ATA Channel 0 ATA Channel 1 ATA Channel 2 ATA Channel 3 ATA Channel 0
Keyboards,Mice & Pointing Devices HID-compliant mouse HID-compliant mouse
Monitors PnP
Sound Devices Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM) SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio
USB Controllers Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C
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Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
Memory
CHANNEL A DIMM 0 512.0MB
CHANNEL B DIMM 0 512.0MB
CHANNEL A DIMM 1 1,024.0MB
CHANNEL B DIMM 1 1,024.0MB
Display Adapters NVIDIA GeForce 6800


Your dad must have a lot of patience!

That's an old, slow, pretty much useless computer,
Adding parts to it would just make it a more expensive, old, slow useless computer.
99.9% of the computers with those specs have long ago been recycled or tossed in the garbage
You can buy a used Dell computer for $25 that would run rings around that one.
A newer computer will have 5.1 sound built in. You won't even need to buy a new sound card/

I just listed a Pentium 4 CPU on eBay. No one would buy it even for $2.
I gave it away for free with some other CPUs!

I have two 6800 GT video cards. They are Bios modded and water cooled.
I don't use them because for $15 I can get a card that more than 5 times faster than both of them overclocked to the max and running in SLI.
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Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
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post #8 of 29
buying a dedicated video card is a waste of money if all you want it to do is play 1080p videos. maybe build a new system around some cheap amd apu.
spend the money on a OS ssd, even a basic 60gb one.


for example, this cpu is the same price as the 750ti you planned, and it will play hd videos on the integrated igpu. it even has 4K 60Hz support,although ppl report 4k video playback on hd530 is choppy.
https://www.komplett.se/product/855379/datorutrustning/processor/intel-core-i3-6100-skylake-processor
Edited by Klocek001 - 8/8/16 at 11:20am
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($114.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Rosewill Galaxy-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $446.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-08 14:32 EDT-0400
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8350 MSI 970 Gaming  R9 290x 4GB Evga SSC 1866 
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post #10 of 29
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thanks for all the reply.
i know it would be better to completely buy a new system.
But the thing is he will buy a new good one in the future, but right now he needs a computer for a while.
So he thought maybe he could clean and reinstall the os and upgrade the cards and later on give it to my mom for just web browsing.
so he would like to go cheap on ''upgrade'' instead of buying another new pc right now. If there are no real cheap ones 200usd (lol)

but there is no way i can buy a cheap cheap gpu to replace the current one to make it view hd 720/1080 videos ? no way the cpu can handle it ? and the gpu wont make difference ?
Edited by -=oopeteroo=- - 8/8/16 at 2:44pm
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