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I don't like that G-Sync costs $100+ extra and it locks you to NV which GPU prices will get even more ridiculous than they are now. I would get a 144Hz FreeSync monitor and get an AMD card (which I did)

 

And a FreeSync locks you into AMD, and I have always had the best experiences with GeForce cards. Besides, I would have to sell my GTX 780 first in order to have enough money for such a purchase, and so this will never happen. I also have no plans to get an AMD card. Ever, actually.

 

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with g-sync you'll run 60hz too if you get 60fps, but without the lag.
IMO g-sync is a better investment in a gaming rig overall. you are able to push as many (or as few) frames as your gpu can without tearing,stutter or any lag.

 

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well there's a sweet new 25" 1440p 144hz dell monitor with g-sync, although IDK whether it launched already.
although for GTX 780 1080p is probably the preferred resolution.

 

I'd have to get rid of my desk hutch, and I absolutely cannot do that.

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If I chose the Acer Predator XB241H, then would I have any regrets? Would I be happier with any other monitors that fall within absolute maximum budget of $400 shipped?

If so, then the only question I'd have is if the panel itself is the "matte" type because that's an absolute requirement for me. I can't have any distracting reflections.


Edit: Wow, GTRtank. You made a post recommending the XB241H while I was writing this one. What an interesting coincidence.

Are AOC's monitors really worthy of recommending? I haven't heard of them until yesterday.

Haha that's is pretty funny. I just posted the AOC because it was cheaper, wasn't sure your budget. But people seem to be happy with the predator. Bezel seems to be matte in the pictures. The reviews for the monitor are pretty damn good.
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Heya TC, your intended setup is pretty similar to what I have going right now. 780 with a 144Hz (120Hz lightboost) monitor. Turning up the eye candy for recent games gives a single 780 a bit of a rough time and getting even 60 is sometimes hard. It is true however that the higher the refresh rate the less noticeable tearing is, even more so with backlight strobing.

Ideally with your monitor at 144 you'd want the fps limited at a multiple of the refresh rate to try and avoid tearing for eg. 24, 48, 72 fps are what you would put MSI AB or rivatuner limiter on. This doesn't require enabling v-sync and lets you avoid the input lag that it applies to most games. If you do want perfectly sync'd frames then with a 780 you could use vsync in adaptive half mode in the nvidia control panel which would lock 144Hz with 72fps.

Depending on monitor you could also just run it at 120Hz which then aligns with 60, 30, 24 fps perfectly or even use adaptive half mode to lock it at 60fps with v-sync. A lot of monitors also allow backlight strobing at 120Hz which could also help with ghosting/tearing/blur.

G-sync is also an option but has a cost factor. It would however eliminate any tearing or input lag issue as long as your GPU can output frames within g-sync range which the 780 most certainly still can.

Edit: I forgot about what g-sync actually does though. It makes the refresh rate variable rather than static based on your fps which might negate the point of getting a high-refresh rate monitor in the first place. If you can only hit 40-60fps then your monitor will only display 40-60Hz. In older games where you can actually hit 120Hz+ its glorious but aside from syncing fps perfectly like v-sync you might just be side-grading.

At least thats how I remember g-sync/freesync working, might need correction.
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Haha that's is pretty funny. I just posted the AOC because it was cheaper, wasn't sure your budget. But people seem to be happy with the predator. Bezel seems to be matte in the pictures. The reviews for the monitor are pretty damn good.

 

The cheaper the better, but I also don't want to make compromises or end up regretting my purchase. I live at my computer, so this is quite an important investment for me.

 

Yeah, so far all photos I've seen seem to imply that it's the matte type. There are hundreds of questions asked on Amazon.com though and so I'm kinda going through them to see if anyone asked, but so far I haven't seen this question. After looking through the questions, I might look through the reviews. This is a lot of work. lol :)

 

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Heya TC, your intended setup is pretty similar to what I have going right now. 780 with a 144Hz (120Hz lightboost) monitor. Turning up the eye candy for recent games gives a single 780 a bit of a rough time and getting even 60 is sometimes hard. It is true however that the higher the refresh rate the less noticeable tearing is, even more so with backlight strobing.

Ideally with your monitor at 144 you'd want the fps limited at a multiple of the refresh rate to try and avoid tearing for eg. 24, 48, 72 fps are what you would put MSI AB or rivatuner limiter on. This doesn't require enabling v-sync and lets you avoid the input lag that it applies to most games. If you do want perfectly sync'd frames then with a 780 you could use vsync in adaptive half mode in the nvidia control panel which would lock 144Hz with 72fps.

Depending on monitor you could also just run it at 120Hz which then aligns with 60, 30, 24 fps perfectly or even use adaptive half mode to lock it at 60fps with v-sync. A lot of monitors also allow backlight strobing at 120Hz which could also help with ghosting/tearing/blur.

G-sync is also an option but has a cost factor. It would however eliminate any tearing or input lag issue as long as your GPU can output frames within g-sync range which the 780 most certainly still can.

 

Strobing? That sounds like something that would be hard on the eyes. Is it?

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Heya TC, your intended setup is pretty similar to what I have going right now. 780 with a 144Hz (120Hz lightboost) monitor. Turning up the eye candy for recent games gives a single 780 a bit of a rough time and getting even 60 is sometimes hard. It is true however that the higher the refresh rate the less noticeable tearing is, even more so with backlight strobing.

Ideally with your monitor at 144 you'd want the fps limited at a multiple of the refresh rate to try and avoid tearing for eg. 24, 48, 72 fps are what you would put MSI AB or rivatuner limiter on. This doesn't require enabling v-sync and lets you avoid the input lag that it applies to most games. If you do want perfectly sync'd frames then with a 780 you could use vsync in adaptive half mode in the nvidia control panel which would lock 144Hz with 72fps.

Depending on monitor you could also just run it at 120Hz which then aligns with 60, 30, 24 fps perfectly or even use adaptive half mode to lock it at 60fps with v-sync. A lot of monitors also allow backlight strobing at 120Hz which could also help with ghosting/tearing/blur.

G-sync is also an option but has a cost factor. It would however eliminate any tearing or input lag issue as long as your GPU can output frames within g-sync range which the 780 most certainly still can.

Edit: I forgot about what g-sync actually does though. It makes the refresh rate variable rather than static based on your fps which might negate the point of getting a high-refresh rate monitor in the first place. If you can only hit 40-60fps then your monitor will only display 40-60Hz. In older games where you can actually hit 120Hz+ its glorious but aside from syncing fps perfectly like v-sync you might just be side-grading.

At least thats how I remember g-sync/freesync working, might need correction.

 

Ah but there's one thing I haven't mentioned yet in this thread: I have the Samsung 2253BW, and I've had it since April of 2008. So, I'm a little scared that some day soon I'll wake up and find that it doesn't work anymore. lol I've been blessed so far that I'm not seeing any signs that it's going to die soon, and it's on a fairly new high-end DVI cable from MonoPrice.com, but still, the monitor is over 8 years old.

 

Plus, if I get a 144 Hz G-Sync monitor and can only hit 60/60 without having performance problems by allowing for a higher FPS/refresh rate, then I'd still be ok with that because at least I'd be ready for upgrades and at least I would no longer have to be wondering how much time I have left before my monitor dies.


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I need at least 100 fps for high Hz monitors to be worth it.

60 fps on 144 Hz feels pretty much like 60 fps on 60 Hz to me. It would be a waste..
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I need at least 100 fps for high Hz monitors to be worth it.

60 fps on 144 Hz feels pretty much like 60 fps on 60 Hz to me. It would be a waste..

 

Yes, but my current monitor is over 8 years old and if I bought a good 144 Hz monitor, then I'd already have it for when I finally upgrade my system.

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The cheaper the better, but I also don't want to make compromises or end up regretting my purchase. I live at my computer, so this is quite an important investment for me.

Yeah, so far all photos I've seen seem to imply that it's the matte type. There are hundreds of questions asked on Amazon.com though and so I'm kinda going through them to see if anyone asked, but so far I haven't seen this question. After looking through the questions, I might look through the reviews. This is a lot of work. lol smile.gif


Yeah I don't blame you, I don't like buying things twice, or returning, ect. I try to buy the right product the first time, and I don't blame you, haha. thumb.gif

Yeah, I usually go off amazon reviews, because people nit-pick products to death, so you can really find some good info in there, especially with 700+ reviews. That being said, I think the Acer is the better choice.
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Strobing shouldn't have any adverse side effects (that I know of) rolleyes.gif
It strobes by actually turning off the backlight then back on. Less intensive than having the backlight on all the time, of course unless you have very sensitive seizure issues (sub 10ms). Blurbusters is a great site for explaining a lot of the high refresh rate options. Links for Lightboost and strobe backlights.
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I need at least 100 fps for high Hz monitors to be worth it.

60 fps on 144 Hz feels pretty much like 60 fps on 60 Hz to me. It would be a waste..

Not entirely true. Even at low framerates it will feel smoother because the monitor is still refreshing frames, albeit old ones, at a high rate. Our eyes are not digital, the more refreshes available to see in a given second the smoother the experience. Similar to how SVP works with video.
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