Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [reddit] Denuvo v3 has been cracked
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[reddit] Denuvo v3 has been cracked - Page 5  

post #41 of 154
Thats the only denuvo game that was cracked since just cause 3. There is still many that are not cracked
post #42 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by girugamesh View Post

Don't treat every developer as if they had no legitimate concern with making art before money, of as if they all saw customers as idiots to be milked. And by art I don't mean anything 2deep, but a quality product that values satisfaction first, maximizing profit second. You could argue that the former promotes the latter, e.g hardcore pirates who buys a game like The Witcher 3 exclusively because of its business model (no DRM and a good DLC model).

Also, bizniz = monies is typical MBA garbage. Value is not ONLY money. Customer loyalty IS a good thing.

I swear it's like people forgot that stakeholder capitalism is a thing. Shareholder dominance is relatively new and there isn't anything that compels a company to only pursue shareholder benefit, except that execs found that they personally profit more by doing so.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz 1.37v o/s  Biostar X370 GT7 Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2 G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) @ 32... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
Other
Xbox One Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 EVGA B2 850w Corsair 300R 
Mouse
SteelSeries Rival 300 
  hide details  
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz 1.37v o/s  Biostar X370 GT7 Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2 G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) @ 32... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
Other
Xbox One Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 EVGA B2 850w Corsair 300R 
Mouse
SteelSeries Rival 300 
  hide details  
post #43 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestala View Post

Piracy is not a problem. People that are pirating games are not going to buy it either way, so it doesn't hurt sales. We know that for ages now.

Edit: Like Steam and Netflix has shown, create a good service (like Steam or Netflix..), price it fairly and people will be willing to pay for it.

I disagree. There are some games that I cant justify spending $60 or whatever they are asking at the time. But after a few months it would go on sale for 30% off, and for $40 I might pick it up. If I were to pirate the game, I would never buy the game. While they could put the game on steam, but if people dont want to spend $60 they wont. Also, one thing to note about steam is that it takes a 30% cut. So that $60 game, the devs only get $40, while Steam takes $20.
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
post #44 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleBound View Post

Not only games are so expensive they require 50GB downloads. Most of the world don't have unlimited broadband.
If you get a complete game on DVD from a store like a few years back, for $10, developers will make lot more profit.

You're arguing that a 50 GB download is a lot. But you're advocating pirating it. What... is that somehow less for a torrented title? No.
Also, physical media costs more. Costs more to produce, costs more to ship, yet you want LOWER prices. Logic.
Games cost a lot to make. If you take just the cost of the coders alone, most studios end up having costs in excess of 500,000 to a million. At $10, you'd need to sell 50,000 just to cover the coders' salary. That's not taking into consideration publishing, marketing, patching, servers (if Multiplayer) etc.

Seem reasonable yet?
post #45 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrzev View Post

I disagree. There are some games that I cant justify spending $60 or whatever they are asking at the time. But after a few months it would go on sale for 30% off, and for $40 I might pick it up. If I were to pirate the game, I would never buy the game. While they could put the game on steam, but if people dont want to spend $60 they wont. Also, one thing to note about steam is that it takes a 30% cut. So that $60 game, the devs only get $40, while Steam takes $20.

That's the point he was trying to make. People who pirate, wouldn't pay for the game, regardless of the price.
post #46 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exeed Orbit View Post

That's the point he was trying to make. People who pirate, wouldn't pay for the game, regardless of the price.

If a game can be made that looks fun enough (from YouTube gameplay videos) and isn't able to be pirated, there's people that will buy it. That's the reason I bought JC3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. I also saw a lot of posts on a specific subreddit where users were getting fed up that the cracks were taking so long to come out that they ended up buying it too.
post #47 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by huzzug View Post

Denuvo has no performance impact. It isn't a DRM but an anti tamper to said DRM. What I'd like to know is can the developers claim they saw an uptick in sale of their games while the protection lasted.

Publishers are most concerned with protecting new releases, so Denuvo is likely to be perceived as worthwhile as long as it reduces day-one piracy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviejams View Post

nobody should be able to play a game for free that other people have to pay for

This is a fairly absurd statement that has nothing to do with the supposed purpose of DRM nor the goals of publishers.

Prices are tailored to individual markets and perceived demand. Even without the influence of piracy, what one pays for a licence can be highly variable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by huzzug View Post

But why wouldn't you ? All companies are moving in to use some sort of DRM that is going to work in a similar way. Besides, it does not have any impact on overall game performance to make it undesirable

Prevalence of the unacceptable is no reason to redefine what I consider acceptable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestala View Post

They would lose profit. So why should they? They (game publishers/developers) are not a charity, they are a business.

Sales on a variety of distribution platforms have shown that the optimum price for most titles is typically far below MSRP. Most big publishers would make more money, not less, if they reduced prices, because they would sell more than enough copies to offset the reduced per-unit price. The biggest barrier to this is the absurd presumption that a given intangible unit is somehow deserving of some arbitrarily high valuation.

The optimal price, as far as profits go, is generally much closer to 10 dollars than 60. Still, there are numerous perceptions that inflate the industry standard release price...and piracy often gets blamed for lost sales when the market disagrees with the unit valuation of some deluded and self-important corporate officer, or an ignorant developer who thinks their personal labors are worth more, per person, than economic realities dictate.

In the end, we see dramatically inflated prices upon release (safer to start high), so early adopters get screwed (doubly so given the poor quality of many titles upon release), followed by sales and rapid price cuts to get the segment of the market that can't be suckered so easily.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestala View Post

It's way easier finding 20.000 customers willing to spend 50$ for this game than it is to find 100.000 customers willing to pay 10$. See the problem?

Often the opposite is true. There are very few titles that can move significant units at $50.

Take a look at Steam sales statistics or the revenue of MMOs that have gone free to play.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exeed Orbit View Post

You're arguing that a 50 GB download is a lot. But you're advocating pirating it. What... is that somehow less for a torrented title? No.

There are plenty of cases where the pirated repacks are significantly smaller than downloading everything via a legitimate source.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exeed Orbit View Post

People who pirate, wouldn't pay for the game, regardless of the price.

An over generalization.
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.2/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.175/1.15v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485, 1... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-12-12-28-T1, 1.34v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.2/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.175/1.15v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485, 1... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-12-12-28-T1, 1.34v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
post #48 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exeed Orbit View Post

That's the point he was trying to make. People who pirate, wouldn't pay for the game, regardless of the price.

Thats not true at all. I know some people who bought some of the denuvo games because they there was no crack for it.
post #49 of 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestala View Post

Piracy is not a problem. People that are pirating games are not going to buy it either way, so it doesn't hurt sales. We know that for ages now.
How are you able to claim that?

It's always the same apologist answer. "People weren't going to pay for it so it's ok". I guess everyone is enough hypocritical to claim so as long as they benefit from it. In reality,you don't get to justify accessing to paid goods for free with "i wasn't going to buy it anyways" It does not justify anything. You want the cookie,you pay for it. Nothing is free in this life.

Anyone defending pirates is an apologist,nothing else nothing more. There's no excuse. You're not entitled to any luxury good for free. People work hard to pay for their things and some people who think they're smarter think they can pirate and keep the high moral ground.
Edited by GoLDii3 - 8/9/16 at 8:20am
post #50 of 154
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion and 2cents.gif any replies to this post that are flame / aggressive will not receive replies. Lets keep this argument professional.

Honestly the debate about "Strong Anti-Piracy Will Increase Game Sales" is so stale and irrelevant that I seriously question why people still argue over it in the first place. Listen to what I am about to say as it is very important in the context of this issue.

1. Strong DRM / Anti - Tamper will never stop pirates unless it is 100% un-crackable. Which also will never happen.
2. Strong DRM / Anti - Tamper does not matter if your game is not good enough to make would-be pirates actually want to purchase it.
3. The average person who pirates a game does so because they feel they will not get their $60 worth out of a game, which is generally true.
4. Not every pirate is a habitual pirate. Take a look at the piracy rates of insanely popular games (e.g. Witcher 3) versus less popular games of the game price (e.g. Tomb Raider).
5. More often than not a pirate will purchase a game if they want to experience the game online.
6. Pirates are patient. They will just wait until a DRM is cracked rather than go out and buy the game just to play it before it is cracked.

In my opinion having a "strong" DRM like Denuvo is a good thing, because by the time is gets cracked, most games that are using it are already knocked down to 20-30% off the retail price anyways. Let the day-one buyers have their fun, and then after six months or so if the game is cracked, who cares?

- Insan1tyOne thumb.gif
MiniNova
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon E5 2637 V3 Asrock X99E-ITX/ac Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! 16GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline @ 2133mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo M.2 250GB WD Caviar Black 2TB Corsair H100i GTX Windows 10 Education Edition 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 34UM95-P ErgoDox EZ EVGA G1 1000W Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelseries 4HD Beyerdynamic T5p Headphones Schiit Mjolnir 2 Amp / Gungnir USB Gen. 2 DAC 
  hide details  
MiniNova
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon E5 2637 V3 Asrock X99E-ITX/ac Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! 16GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline @ 2133mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo M.2 250GB WD Caviar Black 2TB Corsair H100i GTX Windows 10 Education Edition 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 34UM95-P ErgoDox EZ EVGA G1 1000W Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Steelseries Sensei Steelseries 4HD Beyerdynamic T5p Headphones Schiit Mjolnir 2 Amp / Gungnir USB Gen. 2 DAC 
  hide details  
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
This thread is locked  
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [reddit] Denuvo v3 has been cracked