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Originally Posted by doritos93 View Post

average cost for a pc title : 1M$
average cost for a console title : 9M$
revenue for either is always in the 100s of millions or billions

please tell me more about how poor, little studios and pubs need my 60$ for the most recent version of their half baked games

No.

 

As of 2010, the average development cost for a game (excluding marketing budget) was between $18 million and $28 million USD. It's going to be a lot more now since developers have to put a lot more time into developing the game, especially textures.

 

As for the revenue "always in the 100s of millions of billions", no.

 

It's only the AAA titles get hundreds of millions or billions of revenue per game. The same AAA games (excluding marketing costs) usually cost between $50-$100 million. You then have to add on the $50-100 million marketing costs and they would need to get $100-200 million just to break even on development and marketing. You will still have to include the other costs such as hosting servers for multiplayer as well as developing patches.

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Good for people who bought games protected by Denuvo. Now they don't have to worry about not being able to play the game one day, when the servers go offline.
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Originally Posted by Nestala View Post

Piracy is not a problem. People that are pirating games are not going to buy it either way, so it doesn't hurt sales. We know that for ages now.

Edit: Like Steam and Netflix has shown, create a good service (like Steam or Netflix..), price it fairly and people will be willing to pay for it.

I'll just leave it at this... now that I have a solid income and relatively little time... I don't see the time and effort of cracking a game as being worthwhile relative to going the legit route.

I think that's their goal though... not to keep out the poor who have time on their hands, but the inconvenience the otherwise affluent.
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earn more money

No pay , no play.

600k people in 3 days shows piracy is still clearly a problem

Or is it, how many people will recommend that game to a friend? How many people will purchase that game because they learned it was worth the money? The answer is higher than people think, 600k people seems like a lot, but that doesn't account for the positives that come along with it.
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Not really. Employ punishments for the said crime and see the crime rate drop. Sure, there would still be people who commit it, but the fear of being persecuted keeps timids at bay. Now, for piracy to be defined correctly, you need to define what goods constitute and its properties to be considered a crime. As far as laws state, there are no laws that clearly define the beneficiary, the damage and the reward or just compensation for piracy anywhere. Or if you have access to such laws, I'd like to read.

Going by that train of thought, you might also club people who use ad blockers as pirates, since they are stealing from hapless multi-national conglomerates.

Well, that's a bit more of a thin line for the following reasons:

  1. Advertisements tend to have exploitable loopholes that put people's systems at risk, so one could possibly argue that blocking them for security reasons has merit.
  2. Secondly, it's not the same because the content was never charged for. So the comparison isn't apples to apples, although I understand where you're coming from. Though, if that was the case, TiVo and other DVR devices would also be illegal (since they give you the possibility of skipping ads). And you're using their own gateway to access their content. It would be more comparable, if a website denies access if you block ads, but you find a way to get in through other (illicit) means.
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The first cracks for Denuvo V3 emerged few months ago.

A group called MKdev managed to get DOOM to get to menu and even load up first level. It was nowhere perfect though as they were manually deleting denuvo triggers.Test files were released for public.
Rise Of Tom Raider was undergoing same operation but files were never released because they only managed to get to menu + DOOM got full attention later.

Other methods at the time involved public accounts. After getting a public account for sometimes less than 1$ you could activate a game and then use stuff life Lumaemu to pretty much play the game forever as sort of "activation backup" was discovered.DLC cracks were also present and fully working.

Couple weeks ago 3DM cracked all denuvo games on a public livestream but files were never released due to legal process which the gruop was involved with.

Few days ago a guy called VOKSI from Revolt group managed to make a fully working bypass for Denuvo which involved messing with Steam DRM. However it was working normally even on empty fresh accounts. Method was bit similar to popular "SteamFix" which allows pirated players to play multiplayer(steam thinks you are playing game called SpaceWar(most popular but earlier steamfixes involved other Free to play games) and allows connecting to friends playing the same steamfixed game).
Apart from minor issues (which were fixed within hours, guides for fixing those issues were posted on forums) it was fist fully working method.

Shortly after that a group named CPY fully cracked Rise Of Tomb Raider . This method doesn't involve steam.

Not to mention that many groups have full knowledge about how denuvo works(unlike in the beggining) so future cracks won't take as much time to release.
Various methods to dump untouched code were discovered.

And Denuvo V4 was also cracked (don't remeber if by VOKSI bypass or CPY full crack).

I was following the process since the beggining.
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Instead of applying themselves about anti piracy they should make a better game and price it better. Adress bad localisation, proper development for Linux and Osx (vulkan is emerging no excuses), reasonable DLC (no 50% game), proper development for pcs when console game is ported, acessibility features etc.

I dont find piracy as big problem as they make it to be. I like to think most people respect developers and buy from them, unless they are total piratehead.
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Instead of applying themselves about anti piracy they should make a better game and price it better. Adress bad localisation, proper development for Linux and Osx (vulkan is emerging no excuses), reasonable DLC (no 50% game), proper development for pcs when console game is ported, acessibility features etc.

I dont find piracy as big problem as they make it to be. I like to think most people respect developers and buy from them, unless they are total piratehead.
There is the point. Look at CD Project RED, they delivered good games and later good DLC's for them and despite the absence of any DRM they still get a ton of money for them...
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Instead of applying themselves about anti piracy they should make a better game and price it better. Adress bad localisation, proper development for Linux and Osx (vulkan is emerging no excuses), reasonable DLC (no 50% game), proper development for pcs when console game is ported, acessibility features etc.

I dont find piracy as big problem as they make it to be. I like to think most people respect developers and buy from them, unless they are total piratehead.

That's all fine and dandy, but even when you look at the developers that have done it right, like the Witcher 3 devs, i'm willing to bet that a healthy amount of people pirated it anyway. Anti piracy is a more controllable way of affecting the problem, whereas all those methods you mentioned, you're still at the whim of people (who are known to be douchebags)
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That's all fine and dandy, but even when you look at the developers that have done it right, like the Witcher 3 devs, i'm willing to bet that a healthy amount of people pirated it anyway. Anti piracy is a more controllable way of affecting the problem, whereas all those methods you mentioned, you're still at the whim of people (who are known to be douchebags)

Good games will get pirated more.
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