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I'm not trying to imply that LLC is best on normal but saying that theres a bug with some gigabyte mobos. With the 220w amd cpus and running prime past 4.8GHZ stable the LLC must be set on normal
Another bug? Why am I not surprised.

I get borderline too much VRM heat at 4.7 already (88C is past what they're rated for at the current draw) so I won't be going past that unless a new thermal pad works wonders.

My current issue is that core #5 keeps consistently failing Prime set to high RAM utilization — even though the chip passes the in place FFT regimen. That's weird and must be related to the changes the developer has made to Prime recently. Before, as The Stilt said, the in place test was the most stressful due to it hitting Vishera's weak point: the L2 cache. It may be that the VRMs just can't deliver enough power for the high RAM test. I'm not sure. All I know is that overclocking with this board is annoying to say the least. Having to raise the BCLK at all makes the entire process of going past 4.4 seem unfortunate.
Edited by superstition222 - 8/17/16 at 11:57pm
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Even in Asus motherboards using an LLC higher than "high" will only produce excess heat, Regular/Normal or High are the ones I would recomend. Check for the voltages under stress so they don't go too much up or below your target.

In my case I use air cooling so I have a lot of airflow around vrm to keep things cool, just make sure that you are not creating pockets of hot air.
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post #23 of 43
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Even in Asus motherboards using an LLC higher than "high" will only produce excess heat, Regular/Normal or High are the ones I would recomend. Check for the voltages under stress so they don't go too much up or below your target.

In my case I use air cooling so I have a lot of airflow around vrm to keep things cool, just make sure that you are not creating pockets of hot air.
Medium is the best LLC mode for at least some Gigabyte motherboards.

See the charts from this article: http://www.modders-inc.com/gigabyte-990fxa-ud3-rev-4-0-motherboard-review/4/

My testing had the same result, with a different board (UD3P 2.0).

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post #24 of 43
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Ok so back from vacation to find some awesome feedback here. Looks like I need to step back a little and approach this again from square one. Find the lowest stable vcore and stock clock speeds then work my way up. I haven't overclocked the ram so nothing to do here just push the NB a little and set the LLC back to NORM/MED, I think right now I have it set at HIGH. I'll get started on it tonight and post my results. Thanks thumb.gif
post #25 of 43
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Looks like I need to step back a little and approach this again from square one. Find the lowest stable vcore and stock clock speeds then work my way up.
Personally, I think that's a waste of time. It takes a lot more time and effort to fine-tune for total stability than it does to reach approximate stability.

I think it makes more sense to see what a typical average voltage is for the board and CPU you have at the clocks you're targeting and work from there.

I'm not an overclocking expert but the painstaking plethora of incremental changes from stock process for overclocking didn't help me as much as just zoning in on starting settings for the clock I wanted and tweaking from there.

Basically, it breaks down thusly:

If you can get into Windows you're on the road to stability, but not very close yet. It's a good sign, though, as long as your temps are reasonable.
If you can run Cinebench multi without freezing and with safe temps you're closer.
If you can pass 1 hour of Prime (ideally version 27.9) at 720–900K FFT in place with safe temps (have the two error checking things turned on from its menu) you're even closer.
If you can pass a hour and 1/2 of Prime at 85% memory usage (roughly 13000 MB on a 16 GB system) then your RAM and NB core should be ready for at least a few hours of Memtest (8 instances).

other stability tests:

5 loops of RealBench with just the two encoding tests. I've heard they've shortened the test length so it would be better to use the last version before that change happened.
Prime + Furmark to test power supply stability and case cooling. The handbrake encoding + VLC playback test is rather tough to pass so it can be used prior to Prime if you don't mind the possibility of system freezes. The nice thing about Prime is that its error checking usually prevents that because you can quickly stop the test and go back to BIOS to adjust things.

If you can play a 3D game like Civ V at high settings for many hours without weird things happening that's good. If you start to get glitches it could mean the extra heat or power draw is causing issues with your PSU or that your case cooling isn't good enough. It is possible to pass Prime and then have glitches in games, usually if your RAM/NB Core is not set properly.

efficiency tests:

LinX (AMD patched) to get a quick look at overall overclock efficiency. If you get lower GFLOPs at a higher clock then you may have a problem.
Cinebench multi – same purpose as LinX but a bit slower to use.
OCCT, graphing for voltage and temp so you can figure out which LLC level gives you the least droop. The temp is just for monitoring to keep things in a safe range.
Folding.
Realbench encoding test (the Handbrake one) by itself.
post #26 of 43
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looks like you attracted at least one knowledgeable person, but i will still give you what i have learned from my experience with a FX 9590 on a mostly custom water loop my 5ghz "reference"

http://valid.x86.fr/shkhbb

first off, drop that stock vcore from 1.55v, its way to high for any kind of premade cooler short of a fully custom water setup. <- the SINGLE most important thing to do when OCing an FX-9000 series, their stock vcore is way to high, even when i use 5.2 ghz i don't use that much vcore. (1.5-1.52v)

...

I gave it a shot yesterday with no luck. started at 1.42v and worked my way up to 1.5v and in all instances Prime95 and AVX locked up my system within 5 seconds of starting the test. I had switched everything in Auto to their default values and all the power saving stuff as well as turbo boost disabled. Tonight I might try again by going backwards from the default 1.5375v in 0.0125v increments and see how low I can get it, though it's not looking very promising.
post #27 of 43
What frequency were you attempting? I have recently tried to overclock my 9590 over the stock 4.7GHz with the same results as you, it would lock up on prime after some time, however at the stock 4.7 I have no problem. That is why it was a good idea to look for your lowest stable voltage at stock frequency and then work from then up, these chips are clocked so high from stock that some may be at their limit.

In mine seems to be the case.

Keep it up, it will be worth it!thumb.gif
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What frequency were you attempting? I have recently tried to overclock my 9590 over the stock 4.7GHz with the same results as you, it would lock up on prime after some time, however at the stock 4.7 I have no problem. That is why it was a good idea to look for your lowest stable voltage at stock frequency and then work from then up, these chips are clocked so high from stock that some may be at their limit.

In mine seems to be the case.

Keep it up, it will be worth it!thumb.gif

I was working from 4.7ghz which would be the max turbo clock for that chip. All I want now is to get the VRM temps down because it's seems to be my roadblock at the moment and lowering the voltage should help with that. I've seen a review on this board where it was suggested applying some additional heatsinks on the back of the board because they get so hot. not sure if thats even a thing but on paper it seems like it could help.
post #29 of 43
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That is why it was a good idea to look for your lowest stable voltage at stock frequency and then work from then up
Yeah, that advice makes sense with a 9000 series chip. I'm so used to dealing with E chips that when I see that advice I'm like ... no.
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I've seen a review on this board where it was suggested applying some additional heatsinks on the back of the board because they get so hot. not sure if thats even a thing but on paper it seems like it could help.
I always hear about people mounting a fan behind ASUS boards. I put one behind my Gigabyte board. It probably doesn't help as much with the GB board but at least the high-end ASUS boards have some MOSFETs on the back of the board as far as I know. Those, also AFAIK, don't get as much stress/current as the front ones but the fan cooling helps.
Edited by superstition222 - 8/25/16 at 2:31pm
post #30 of 43
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Managed to get the VCore voltage down to 1.5125v not a whole lot far from the 1.5375v but its something. Still Semi-stable at 4.8Ghz. redface.gif

Prime95 tests fail any lower than that, but the VRM is still getting hot, need to find a better way to cool this thing because right now it looks pretty ghetto rigged.



sorry about the glare, got lazy and didn't want to take the panel off again. I'm open to all suggestions at this point smile.gif
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