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Can you do a test with higher clocked ram/higher timing vs 3200 / CL14-14-14-34

Say OC'd to 3600 / 15-15-15-35 or 3840 / 16-16-16-36 or even 4133 / 19-21-21-41 for the Z170?

Is the 6700K already delidded or not delidded?

The 6700K seems to be around ~1.12x to 1.14x Haswell in some games if they were both clocked at around 4.6ghz

A lot of delidded 3xxx / 4xxx / 6xxx could hit 4.9/5.0 like the 2xxx chips ( soldered ). It's about equal to imperfect solder.

It seems like if you extrapolate to get 5.0ghz and 4133, it might be 1.10-1.14x vs the 5960x@4.6
Edited by Kana Chan - 8/10/16 at 8:01am
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Thanks for the response guys! I'm really glad it could help. biggrin.gif

I definitely derped on describing the settings that were used for each game last night. The settings used between platforms were exactly the same, I just worded it poorly. Luckily I've saved screen shots from each games settings menu and I will edit them into the original post.
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Is the Z170 able to go 16x/16x? The 5960X is 16x/16x.

You own both systems?

It seems to win in min fps compared to the the X99 while the max fps might favor the higher core count cpu.

I own both systems. I'd think that a higher average minimum frame rate would be a little bit more beneficial than a higher max average.

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No, Z170 does not support x16/x16. He's using a PLX chip which grants a x16 slot (usually used for three-way SLI) to use all 16 lanes of the chipset on one card and using SLI on the PLX chip slot. It's got latency issues and shouldn't be as nice an experience as normal SLI would be (which won't show up in benchmark numbers unless frametimes are checked).
Is this running quad channel on X99 and dual channel on Z170? If it's dual channel on the X99 you should get quad channel just to see if it helps. Also, see if you can test Witcher 3.

The plx bridge is a switch. It grants full x16 access from each gpu to the cpu at the expense of latency. Now, I've used plx bridges before and whatever latency is there it's not perceptible to the eye. Unfortunately I don't have the means to test actual frame time variance, but there was no visible microstutter going from z170 with plx to the x99 running x16 natively. It's worth mentioning that a user on these boards worked for a game streaming company - think onlive or something similar. He said that his company did very thorough tests involving plx bridges and the results were that the latest gen plx bridges added an insignificant amount of latency.

Ram was in quad channel on the x99 and dual on the z170.

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Awesome results. Definitely proves Intel was upto something good with Z170! My upcoming 6700k should keep me quite happy for a good number of years.

It'd be interesting to see power consumption numbers too... gaming load and prime 95 load....thumb.gif

Dang it! That's a great idea. I have a power meter handy too and I didn't think about it. I'll see if I can put something together in the near future.

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Can you do a test with higher clocked ram/higher timing vs 3200 / CL14-14-14-34

Say OC'd to 3600 / 15-15-15-35 or 3840 / 16-16-16-36 or even 4133 / 19-21-21-41 for the Z170?

Is the 6700K already delidded or not delidded?

The 6700K seems to be around ~1.12x to 1.14x Haswell in some games if they were both clocked at around 4.6ghz

A lot of delidded 3xxx / 4xxx / 6xxx could hit 4.9/5.0 like the 2xxx chips ( soldered ). It's about equal to imperfect solder.

I'm not sure I'd be able to address ram overclocking at this point, but I'll see what I can do.

6700k is delidded. This particular chip is not a very good sample. In order to get to 4.8 stable I need to pump in 1.452v. I don't think any higher core clock is doable.
Edited by axiumone - 8/10/16 at 8:06am
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Could you test single gpu by any chance? Maybe the 1080 clocked to 2100 if possible too?
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A lot of delidded 3xxx / 4xxx / 6xxx could hit 4.9/5.0 like the 2xxx chips ( soldered ). It's about equal to imperfect solder.

It's absolutely not as simple as that, you're dealing with the silicon lottery as well as temperatures. My 6700k needs about 1.435v to be rock solid at 4.6ghz (and that isn't even prime stable), good luck getting that to 5.0.

Average 6700k will do a hair over 4.7ghz around that voltage, very very very few will do 5ghz even when they're at 50c under load. It was the same for Haswell.
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This particular chip is not a very good sample. In order to get to 4.8 stable I need to pump in 1.452v. I don't think any higher core clock is doable.

That's not really unusual, it's just not amazing. Certainly average-ish, maybe even above depending on how you tested.
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Could you test single gpu by any chance? Maybe the 1080 clocked to 2100 if possible too?

Possibly at some point in the future. My 1080's wont reach 2100 though. Also, I think there are already a few benches available by better reviewers than me at 3440 / 6700k / gtx 1080.

I may be able to do something quick on the 6700k system if there's something specific you'd like to see.
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The plx bridge is a switch. It grants full x16 access from each gpu to the cpu at the expense of latency. Now, I've used plx bridges before and whatever latency is there it's not perceptible to the eye. Unfortunately I don't have the means to test actual frame time variance, but there was no visible microstutter going from z170 with plx to the x99 running x16 natively. It's worth mentioning that a user on these boards worked for a game streaming company - think onlive or something similar. He said that his company did very thorough tests involving plx bridges and the results were that the latest gen plx bridges added an insignificant amount of latency.

Ram was in quad channel on the x99 and dual on the z170.
Dang it! That's a great idea. I have a power meter handy too and I didn't think about it. I'll see if I can put something together in the near future.
I'm not sure I'd be able to address ram overclocking at this point, but I'll see what I can do.

6700k is delidded. This particular chip is not a very good sample. In order to get to 4.8 stable I need to pump in 1.452v. I don't think any higher core clock is doable.
Unfortunately this is something I'll more have to adopt a "wait and see" policy for myself about. Though it's possible much of the latency from before was purely because three-way SLI rather than directly the PLX chip, so I don't know.

The RAM in quad channel for the X99 seems odd... that is REALLY good latencies for DDR4 for that RAM. Usually lower latencies happen for Dual Channel configs. I just would like to be sure it's in quad channel at that speed at those latencies for certain is all.
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Unfortunately this is something I'll more have to adopt a "wait and see" policy for myself about. Though it's possible much of the latency from before was purely because three-way SLI rather than directly the PLX chip, so I don't know.

The RAM in quad channel for the X99 seems odd... that is REALLY good latencies for DDR4 for that RAM. Usually lower latencies happen for Dual Channel configs. I just would like to be sure it's in quad channel at that speed at those latencies for certain is all.

That's fine, skepticism is healthy. You may be waiting for a very long time. PLX enabled boards have been out for a very long time and I haven't seen a major publication test anyone of them in sli, ever. I have used a multitude of them first hand in three/four way sli and crossfire configurations. Whatever issues were there, were the fault of more than two card support that was poorly implemented.

As for the ram, I don't have a cpu-z shot of that board handy, but I found something else. It's a screen shot from one of my older rigs with the same cpu and ram kit, just a different x99 board.


Edited by axiumone - 8/10/16 at 9:05pm
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Interesting! reading slowly smile.gif
   
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Interesting! reading slowly smile.gif

Enjoy smile.gif

I actually found this interesting little cpu - http://ark.intel.com/products/92991/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v4-10M-Cache-3_50-GHz

It's a 4 core broadwell-e, that's unlocked and full 40 pcie lanes. Would be super interesting to overclock the heck out of it and compare to a skylake system.
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Enjoy smile.gif

I actually found this interesting little cpu - http://ark.intel.com/products/92991/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v4-10M-Cache-3_50-GHz

It's a 4 core broadwell-e, that's unlocked and full 40 pcie lanes. Would be super interesting to overclock the heck out of it and compare to a skylake system.

It's not unlocked. None of the Broadwell-E Xeons are unlocked, unlike some of the Haswell-E ones.
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