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post #11 of 32
Do you intend to use the machine for anything other than gaming? The extra cores of the 5960X sound nice on paper and absolutely have their uses but if the most strenuous application with be gaming most titles perform better on a well clocked 6700k. That would also knock close to $1000 off your price tag. If you do much video encoding/transcoding, run lots of VM's, or any other productivity work that love cores and memory then an X99 platform is the way to go. More cores sound nice for the future as programs make better use of them but to be fair we've been saying that for a decade and it has barely happened so far. Same with the proposed motherboard; nothing wrong with it but consider the features it has that make it so expensive and whether or not they will be of benefit to you.

SLI 1080's will outperform any single card on the market right now but depending on what you play many games do not make good use of it or do not support it at all. Personally I would lean towards a single Titan XP but that's a matter of how much you're willing to mess around with SLI working or not. You can always add a second one later for SLI if you want to. If you plan to put water blocks on the cards save your money on the non-reference PCB's. When it comes to overclocking potential you're really playing the silicon lottery with Pascal as it seems all the models clock about the same under water regardless of fancy power delivery. The cheapest card you can find has about the same chance of clocking well as the most expensive from all the tests I've seen.

As for the case you might want to look at something from Caselabs, especially if you intend on setting up proper water cooling later on. The 900D has always felt to me like a case that is trying really hard to be a Magnum SMA8 (or the other way around, not sure which came first come to think of it) but the Caselabs simply does it better. A bit more expensive, but IMO worth it for a build of this budget for its build quality and incredible water cooling support.

You really won't need a 1200W power supply. I say that as I'm pulling only about 600W under load from my 1300W Supernova G2 but just saying that is probably way more than you need unless you intend to run 4 video cards or install a small convection oven for making gaming snacks. A quality 850W or so should be more than enough for the proposed build.
 
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GSkill RipJaws 3000 32GB Samsung 120GB SSD WD Black 2TB Raid 0 WD Green 4TB 
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Hitachi 5TB Samsung 500GB SSD CD/DVD/BluRay Custom water cooling 
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Windows 10 Acer Predator x34 AOC i2769Vm Gateway KX2153 
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post #12 of 32
Keep it simple, you can save lots of money and have a completely kick butt gaming rig.

1440p with up to 144hz variable refresh rate is a good target for the here and now. A single gtx 1080 gets that job done. The 5960X is not the best choice for a gaming rig. A 5820k has enough extra cores without the extra costs and is easier to keep cool compared to the 5960X. A high quality 750w psu should do it.
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Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Plus 750 Silverstone Kublai SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
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i7-5820k | core@4.4 1.23v | cache@4.1 1.1v ASUS X99-PRO / USB 3.1 EVGA GTX 980ti FTW Crucial Ballistix Sport 2400 CL12 (4 x 4GB) 
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Crucial MX200 (1 TB) Crucial M500 (960 GB) Western Digital Green (2 TB) Pioneer BDR-XU03 
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Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
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Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
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post #13 of 32
Most of those parts in that system is overkill and way overpriced and the same can be done for far less money

This is what i would get but off course this is my own taste so it might not be what you are looing for and there might be stuff that you dont like
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/shilka/saved/#view=Hm2Qzy

First time i have used pcpartpicker so not sure if you can see my list or not?

Note that all of this is under $8000 despite that there is some really high end parts in there and it can be done for even less if you remove one of the SSD´s
As said just becasue you can get the most expensive parts does not mean that you should
Edited by shilka - 8/11/16 at 4:57am
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post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
Yes I agree those parts are overkill deliberately so.Whatever system I end up building I want it to last a long time.A buffer if you will against obsolescence. I am also thinking about VR and the demands it makes on the system.Admittedly I don't know much about VR I am still studying the subject.
Having said all that I may have gone overboard I have another build that I am looking at that is almost identical to the one you posted.I do want custom water cooling eventually and your choice of an air cooler makes more sense than the thermaltake option in my build.It would not only be less expensive but would go better with the computer I have now when I finally switch to a custom water-cooling setup.I'm not fixed on my choice of case either.The only reason I chose it was for the airflow and room for pumps and reservoirs.
About the prices they are in Canadian dollars so they may not be as over priced as they look.
It is a lot of coin tho.


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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Most of those parts in that system is overkill and way overpriced and the same can be done for far less money

This is what i would get but off course this is my own taste so it might not be what you are looing for and there might be stuff that you dont like
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/shilka/saved/#view=Hm2Qzy

First time i have used pcpartpicker so not sure if you can see my list or not?

Note that all of this is under $8000 despite that there is some really high end parts in there and it can be done for even less if you remove one of the SSD´s
As said just becasue you can get the most expensive parts does not mean that you should
post #15 of 32
Thread Starter 
If you could see my current setup you might get a better idea of why I want to upgrade so here it is.



Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine: Mobo: EVGA model: 680i
Bios: Phoenix v: 6.00 PG date: 09/04/2008
CPU: Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
clock speeds: max: 2643 MHz 1: 2643 MHz 2: 2643 MHz 3: 2643 MHz
4: 2643 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA G86 [GeForce 8500 GT] 512MB

Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce 8500 GT/PCIe/SSE2
GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.96 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio: Card NVIDIA MCP55 High Definition Audio

Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (7.0% used)
The monitor is a samsung 963uw
All my computers were stolen including a $1500 laptop.
And until a couple of days ago this was all I could afford.
post #16 of 32
Seeing your current setup doesn't change the cost effectiveness of a 4K gaming system. I don't know why you think a less expensive system will age less gracefully. Everyone building a gaming system based on Skylake architecture won't have to worry about replacing their motherboard and processor for at least five years. I'm still using an X58 system with an X5670 and I decided I'm not upgrading until Skylake-E hits the market. The most often upgraded component in a gaming system is the video card. You'll likely go through three or four before you change the motherboard.

Edit: I'm not necessarily trying to talk you out of a 4K gaming setup, it just contradicts your statement about not wanting to throw money away. When nVidia released Volta-based video cards, 4K gaming will be much more mature and affordable. There's simply such a premium on a 4K gaming setup that I think it's a waste of money. I'm not sure if you can even notice the difference between 1440p and 2160p on a 27" panel anyway.
Edited by chessmyantidrug - 8/11/16 at 12:22pm
post #17 of 32
Thread Starter 
I have thought about what Ive been told,mulled it over and done a big revision on the build.
The current build is HERE
If I end up needing a second video card I can always buy another then.
I will start off with air cooling until I plan out a water-cooling setup
so I dont need the 900d case or the fans.
How does it look?
post #18 of 32
A couple questions:
  • Why do you think you need a 1200-watt power supply?
  • How do you plan on filling a 6-terabyte hard drive?
  • What might you be doing that would require 64 gigabytes of memory?

I can't imagine a scenario you'll ever need a 1200-watt power supply with video cards trending downward on power usage instead of upward.

In the eight years I've owned my computer, I haven't needed to expand from my 1 TB drive. I can't imagine ever need 6 terabytes worth of capacity. You might. Hard to know without asking.

As for memory, I can't imagine a gaming scenario where you would ever need more than 32 gigabytes. Even 16 is plenty.

For what it's worth, here's what I would buy with that kind of budget. Fill in the gaps where necessary.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($501.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($109.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX X99 GAMING ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($429.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($189.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($419.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($254.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card ($889.00 @ Vuugo)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case ($253.00 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.98 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit ($128.98 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Acer XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 165Hz Monitor ($949.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $4287.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-11 21:25 EDT-0400
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by GTXer View Post

I have thought about what Ive been told,mulled it over and done a big revision on the build.
The current build is HERE
If I end up needing a second video card I can always buy another then.
I will start off with air cooling until I plan out a water-cooling setup
so I dont need the 900d case or the fans.
How does it look?

Besides gaming, what else will you be using this system for?

I question whether the extra pcie lanes are worth the price differerence between the 6850k and 6800k (or 5820k) .

I have no doubt that variable-hi-refresh rates makes for a qualitatively superior gaming experience. 4k gives you more pixels, but at great expense. Complete fluidity of 1440p and 144hz is way more desirable.

Personally, I think physically larger than a 27" monitor is not desirable for a desktop gaming rig unless you plan to play it with a controller from a distance instead of sitting right at the desk with a keyboard and mouse.

Maybe take a look at the swiftech h240x2 &| the ek predator for decent aio liquid cooling options.

The psu is way overkill.
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Crucial MX200 (1 TB) Crucial M500 (960 GB) Western Digital Green (2 TB) Pioneer BDR-XU03 
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Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Gold 850 Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX (gray) SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
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Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
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post #20 of 32
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The only reason I have for choosing the 6850 is ignorance.I really don't understand enough to buy a cpu that I am sure will last several years in the gaming world.Some people are predicting games will soon need or at least benefit from more cores more threads/channels but I have been out of the loop for so long that I am finding out I have a lot more to learn than I first thought.
That is the foremost reason I am here and doing all the brain picking. Also VR gaming has got me a little confused as well.I wont be doing any VR gaming for a while so Ill keep reading about it and wait
As fore the choice of 4K I was in NCIX a while ago and saw a 4K res system (didn't play on it ) it looked so much better than what I have now that well It looked very nice.(drool fuel)biggrin.gif
Edited by GTXer - 8/11/16 at 9:07pm
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