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Makes sense. AMD has a better value for what apple needs to create for their target audience

I don't think Apple cares about "value" when their top of the line MBPr 15" has a GPU that performs worse than my GTX 860m, and that laptop is a full $1,000 higher than the original cost of my Omen.
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I watch a lot of science programmes and it strikes me that in nearly every one (there was a Horizon special on the Large Hadron Collider couple days back) that in the shots of the scientists, some of the brightest brains on the planet, they almost exclusively all use Macs or MBPs. It was a big shock that in the last programme I watched that there was ONE scientist using a non-Apple computer.

There must be a reason these boffins choose Apple over MS software. Or is it a hardware reason? This dispels the myth somewhat that Apple computers are for people who know no better as I'm sure the science community at the world-leading level know a thing or two about computer hardware, especially in certain fields.

It's because programming is much nicer to do with a unix system, and physicists and astronomers do a lot of programming for their simulations. Engineering applications, on the other hand, run inferior on OSX compared to Windows. So really, if you're writing your own code, Apple computers work better than Windows computer (and slightly better than Linux computers sometimes), but if you're relying on applications that aren't art applications (Photoshop etc.), then Windows computers are superior, which is why you'll rarely see an Engineer with a Macbook.
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I watch a lot of science programmes and it strikes me that in nearly every one (there was a Horizon special on the Large Hadron Collider couple days back) that in the shots of the scientists, some of the brightest brains on the planet, they almost exclusively all use Macs or MBPs. It was a big shock that in the last programme I watched that there was ONE scientist using a non-Apple computer.

There must be a reason these boffins choose Apple over MS software. Or is it a hardware reason? This dispels the myth somewhat that Apple computers are for people who know no better as I'm sure the science community at the world-leading level know a thing or two about computer hardware, especially in certain fields.

It's because programming is much nicer to do with a unix system, and physicists and astronomers do a lot of programming for their simulations. Engineering applications, on the other hand, run inferior on OSX compared to Windows. So really, if you're writing your own code, Apple computers work better than Windows computer (and slightly better than Linux computers sometimes), but if you're relying on applications that aren't art applications (Photoshop etc.), then Windows computers are superior, which is why you'll rarely see an Engineer with a Macbook.

I think it could be a little more general than that though.

This reminds me of the situation you seem to find with a lot of (most?) game developers, people don't know how to play the games they're making. How much crossover is there between being a competent 3D modeller and being a competent FPS player?
None.
Even being a game designer doesn't necessitate being competent at playing the product. That's what testers are for.

What part of being a Physicist requires knowing about consumer hardware?
I wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of the people doing R&D for Intel barely know how to use their computers at all. Navigating an OS is so far up the abstraction tree that it probably has utterly no crossover to their day to day jobs.
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I suppose if I wasn't gaming on a desktop, the AMD vs Nvidia mobile performance might mean something to me, but frankly it's just not a concern right now for a daily driver laptop. I have a 2011 MBA I'll probably replace with one of these new pros when they drop and it's been a beast. I'll be wiping it and passing it on to my mother without regret - biggest difference is just that I need more RAM. That's it. Otherwise it's still a solid workhorse. Hell, I can even video edit on the thing. It's not JUST about hardware, after all. The Apple appeal in general is a stable system with great drivers (still haven't found a comparable PC trackpad, for example) and optimized programs.

So yeah, if I try to load up Dark Souls III it's probably going to have a hernia... but that's... not why I have an Apple laptop? So I don't see what all the bashing is for. I'll game on my damn tower. That's what I built it for. rolleyes.gif
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Now we know where the full Polaris 11 went.

I had my suspicions when the RX 460 launched as a cut down Polaris 11
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Production costs of Polaris 11 should be in line with Bonair. It may come down to yeilds and reserving full Polaris 11 for the professional cards and laptops.

Edited by Slomo4shO - 8/14/16 at 9:02am
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I had my suspensions when the RX 460 launched as a cut down Polaris 11

so even if the macbook has full polaris, how's the performance compared to nvidia cards?


also, remember that amd cards are not supported through bootcamp, the amd drivers itself blacklist the R9 M370X on the macbook pro, disallowing any driver install newer than v15 from amd.


you have to install from 3rd party who have removed that blacklist such as http://bootcampdrivers.com/
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so even if the macbook has full polaris, how's the performance compared to nvidia cards?


also, remember that amd cards are not supported through bootcamp, the amd drivers itself blacklist the R9 M370X on the macbook pro, disallowing any driver install newer than v15 from amd.


you have to install from 3rd party who have removed that blacklist such as http://bootcampdrivers.com/

Should match GTX950.
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uh yes it screams gamer louder than my y700 does biggrin.gif



vs




btw, the vents on mine are only red when the laptop's on, and only get brighter as the fans speed up. I don't think I need to say anything else.

the sarcasm didn't come through, but okay.

Anyhow they look similar, the omen just looks a lot thinner. and yeah I bet the vent is only red when the laptop is on, but how many people would comment about a laptop that's closed and not in use?
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Should match GTX950.
Ew, disgusting!

How can such low performance chip be put in an expensive laptop!
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I'll keep using my UX301LA until the Zenbook 3 comes out. I don't have any current needs for a bigger notebook with a discrete card.
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CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon 835 Adreno 540 4GB Toshiba 64GB UFS 2.1 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Passive Android Oreo Beta XF270HUA Cherry MX Board 6.0 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
15w Samsung Quick Charger Galaxy S8+ Logitech G600 Alugraphics GamerArt 
AudioAudio
Definitive Technology Incline SMSL M8 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 6700K 4.8Ghz @ 1.4v Maximus VIII Formula Radeon RX VEGA 64 G-Skill 32GB 3200Mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 850 Evo 2TB Raid 0 Corsair H100i V2 Windows 10 Pro Acer XF270HUA 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry MX Board 6.0 EVGA SuperNova 1200w P2 Lian-Li PC-V33B Logitech G600 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Alugraphics GamerArt Definitive Technology Incline SMSL M8  
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Maximus
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CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon 835 Adreno 540 4GB Toshiba 64GB UFS 2.1 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Passive Android Oreo Beta XF270HUA Cherry MX Board 6.0 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
15w Samsung Quick Charger Galaxy S8+ Logitech G600 Alugraphics GamerArt 
AudioAudio
Definitive Technology Incline SMSL M8 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 6700K 4.8Ghz @ 1.4v Maximus VIII Formula Radeon RX VEGA 64 G-Skill 32GB 3200Mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 850 Evo 2TB Raid 0 Corsair H100i V2 Windows 10 Pro Acer XF270HUA 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry MX Board 6.0 EVGA SuperNova 1200w P2 Lian-Li PC-V33B Logitech G600 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Alugraphics GamerArt Definitive Technology Incline SMSL M8  
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