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...although getting a new $1000-1200 (Win-PC) laptop every 1-1.5y is a far better investment

It's not though. Apple laptop resale values are extremely high while PCs drop like stones. Even when selling my high end, well built Surface Pro 3, I had to take a big loss on it when moving to my current XPS13. Macs are cheaper to own in the long run, assuming you're upgrading every couple of years. I feel that this is a huge advantage of Macs that is always overlooked.
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As much as I hate on Apple at times, I'd personally love to get one (either laptop or 5K iMac) just because of how premium they are. Building your own PC will always be the best way to go if you care about performance, value, and having a great time building it, but there is something sexy about AIO's and the 5K iMac is about as sexy an AIO as I've ever seen. Ditto the Macbook Pro, a laptop that on just look and feel alone puts 99% of other laptops to shame. Of course you have to pay through the nose for the "privilege"...

Osx itself as software is sexy. With the ability to run Linux software. And now an AMD hackintosh!? Omg omg it's like heaven.
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Macrumours reported on the contract with AMD a while ago I think. I've been considering the incoming mbp 13 or a Dell xps 13 to replace my antique Dell that weighs like 8 pounds. Depends on how much I like the iphone7 and to a lesser extent, watch2.

Part of me just wants one to try something new. Last time I consistently used a Mac was probably 1994, in elementary school. Lol
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AdoredTV actually just released his RX 460 review, and with the results noted that he was able to undervolt the RX 460 to as low as it would allow in WattMan and still handily beat the 750 Ti in every benchmark, all the while pulling I think a total of 93 watts (total system power consumption) from the wall.
Not bad I think, not something I would spend 3K on personally, but something a bit more reasonably priced I'd love to just install Debian on would be great.



Although I was unaware that one's sex life was determined by their laptop brand... good info I guess?

go to the dark web and buy a macbook that "fell of the truck"

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My god I love OCN gender studies.

/s

This is nice for AMD but it's a shame that all of the juicy Pol 11 is going to Apple a la Tonga.

Yeah, this thread escalated pretty quickly.

But, on topic, if the display is organic LED, it will probably be quite thin, as well.

Hopefully they make this laptop a decent replacement for those in the developer world with current MBPs.

.. and, hopefully keeping the quad-core option and none of the silly "i7 U" series.
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It's not though. Apple laptop resale values are extremely high while PCs drop like stones. Even when selling my high end, well built Surface Pro 3, I had to take a big loss on it when moving to my current XPS13. Macs are cheaper to own in the long run, assuming you're upgrading every couple of years. I feel that this is a huge advantage of Macs that is always overlooked.

Pretty sure apple computers are self-contained. As in you dcan't really upgrade them without dismantling your computer - and even then you might be looking at a sealed unit.
PCs, even laptops don't have this issue.

All in all, depending on what you're using the mac for depends if it's better to get a mac or a pc.
Actually...scratch that. You should always get a pc because even if all you do is browse the internet and buy crap on itunes...you'll get a better price for equal or greater hardware from a pc unless you get something dumb like an alienware.

Macs are vastly overpriced for what they offer, it's not about the OS, it's not about ease of repair. It's about value per dollar and macs do not have that. At all.

Now if you love IOS that much you could just run it on your PC and not deal with the pricesharking schemes of apple.
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...although getting a new $1000-1200 (Win-PC) laptop every 1-1.5y is a far better investment

It's not though. Apple laptop resale values are extremely high while PCs drop like stones. Even when selling my high end, well built Surface Pro 3, I had to take a big loss on it when moving to my current XPS13. Macs are cheaper to own in the long run, assuming you're upgrading every couple of years. I feel that this is a huge advantage of Macs that is always overlooked.

While the PC is trashed, right?

What's the value of a rMBP 15 you bought for $2500 before taxes in 2014 today? $900? Lets say $1000. Hell, lets say $1200. Or you say w/e it really is, I really don't know, that's from a very fast ebay search. That's still ~50% depreciation from the price paid.

Would the resale value of a $1000-1200 PC that most likely will be just as fast (less stylish, no contest there) that you are replacing every 1y instead of 2y+ will be less than 50% of the original investment? I doubt it. You "lose" a comparable % of your original investment (I could argue less) and because you are often ending up with a slightly bigger machine than the MBP, the thermal envelope often allows it to be faster on day 1, and ofc much faster if the next year you get the new PC that will be a generation ahead of the MBP.

Even if % its a toss, the absulute $ invested and depreciated is more if you want to go for the styling and the premium feel of the MBP, much like with most luxury consumer products
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Pretty sure apple computers are self-contained. As in you dcan't really upgrade them without dismantling your computer - and even then you might be looking at a sealed unit.
PCs, even laptops don't have this issue.

All in all, depending on what you're using the mac for depends if it's better to get a mac or a pc.
Actually...scratch that. You should always get a pc because even if all you do is browse the internet and buy crap on itunes...you'll get a better price for equal or greater hardware from a pc unless you get something dumb like an alienware.

Macs are vastly overpriced for what they offer, it's not about the OS, it's not about ease of repair. It's about value per dollar and macs do not have that. At all.

These days almost everything in the PC world remotely as thin as a MBP and MBA offer very limited upgreadability, and a process not transparent to the end user...i.e. no easy to access hatches etc...you have to crack open the metal case, pretty much like you would with a mobile phone, and at best you will be able to upgrade a M.2 drive or change the battery.
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While the PC is trashed, right?

What's the value of a rMBP 15 you bought for $2500 before taxes in 2014 today? $900? Lets say $1000. Hell, lets say $1200. Or you say w/e it really is, I really don't know, that's from a very fast ebay search. That's still ~50% depreciation from the price paid.

Would the resale value of a $1000-1200 PC that most likely will be just as fast (less stylish, no contest there) that you are replacing every 1y instead of 2y+ will be less than 50% of the original investment? I doubt it. You "lose" a comparable % of your original investment (I could argue less) and because you are often ending up with a slightly bigger machine than the MBP, the thermal envelope often allows it to be faster on day 1, and ofc much faster if the next year you get the new PC that will be a generation ahead of the MBP.

Even if % its a toss, the absulute $ invested and depreciated is more if you want to go for the styling and the premium feel of the MBP, much like with most luxury consumer products
These days almost everything in the PC world remotely as thin as a MBP and MBA offer very limited upgreadability, and a process not transparent to the end user...i.e. no easy to access hatches etc...you have to crack open the metal case, pretty much like you would with a mobile phone, and at best you will be able to upgrade a M.2 drive or change the battery.


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Once Apple decided CUDA was meh for them, going with AMD gpus was a no-brainer.

Apple? You mean adobe.
CUDA was never a consideration for apple, ever. There almost no applications CUDA on the macs.

Adobe were the only real users for CUDA on mac, and they changed that for more OpenCL support because apple decided to move to AMD. If apple hadn't adobe would stick to CUDA tbh.
And even then, CUDA vs OpenCL for adobe, CUDA had a much better performance overall if you take two similar performing cards from AMD and Nvidia on the generations that followed.

Apple's move to AMD was pure money. If you think CUDA had anything to do with it, you have no idea what CUDA even is.
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Apple? You mean adobe.
CUDA was never a consideration for apple, ever. There almost no applications CUDA on the macs.

Adobe were the only real users for CUDA on mac, and they changed that for more OpenCL support because apple decided to move to AMD. If apple hadn't adobe would stick to CUDA tbh.
And even then, CUDA vs OpenCL for adobe, CUDA had a much better performance overall if you take two similar performing cards from AMD and Nvidia on the generations that followed.

Apple's move to AMD was pure money. If you think CUDA had anything to do with it, you have no idea what CUDA even is.

I've always felt like AMD and Nvidia compute were not far off from each other.
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