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So we can't speculate?

Where's the fun in that frown.gif



Here ya go, speculate.
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No need to rationalize your 6600k. It's a good processor.

I'm not.

I guess I should've added this to my previous post. If zen can have IPC at ~Haswell level, then this shows there will be almost no difference for the majority of games released today i5 v i7 v Zen. Those tests/graph don't do much justice for the fact that skylake is faster than haswell, just not for general gaming purposes; multi gpu, and cpu heavy games should show more of a difference.

Without more cpu oriented benchmark results for productivity based programs, a lot is still up in the air. At the very least this shows for gaming purposes there shouldn't be much of a difference betwen Zen, HW, SL, and upcoming intel i5s and mainstream i7s.
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So we can't speculate?

Where's the fun in that frown.gif



Here ya go, speculate.
Damn, Cheese has great perf/price. Almost 2500K performance, and i can get it shipped to me in 24h for $1.49. Probably the best model for a media server.
    
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Idk what they were thinking prioritizing core count over IPC and frequency. For most users, they (read: the applications they're using) wouldn't be taking advantage of that many cores. Surfing the net, email, Office, etc. mostly all lightweight. Probably why tablets are so popular.

They were hoping that the OSes being used could use their more parallel approach (since it has a theoretically larger output)
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That's borderline slander.
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Libel you mean
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Him too.

Hahahahaha.
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Damn, Cheese has great perf/price. Almost 2500K performance, and i can get it shipped to me in 24h for $1.49. Probably the best model for a media server.

Pfft, good luck finding a board for it, I've been searching for ages...

But yea, some pretty odd info flying around with those 2 samples...
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Breaking Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
WCCF just received new leaks comparing SuperDuperHyptrainZen to Cheese and it wins with a quadrillion gigahertz of overclocking headroom.

Everytime OCN makes up CPU-Z pictures and phoney numbers someone quotes it as if it is the truth and a infant dies somewhere.
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Breaking Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
WCCF just received new leaks comparing SuperDuperHyptrainZen to Cheese and it wins with a quadrillion gigahertz of overclocking headroom.

Everytime OCN makes up CPU-Z pictures and phoney numbers someone quotes it as if it is the truth and a infant dies somewhere.

Can I quote you on that? Is that your official statement? tongue.gif
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It doesn't bode will if this represents final Zen silicon, but I guess we'll have to see.

By this point only clock speeds should still be up in the air. Architecture was almost certainly set a while ago.
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yeah. these are ES samples and both showing widely different benchmarks. one worse than bulldozer and other slightly faster than a i5 haswell. so we really don't know the true extent of zen's performance.

And we won't, until we have final clock speeds or an indication of what clocks the architecture is capable of...as well as more samples and more tests to compare.
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Still, thats 58 FPS vs. 93 FPS with what's presumably the same core/thread count and about the same clockspeed. Unless some of the cores on that ES are disabled, I wouldn't bet on Zen edging out Skylake core-for-core at launch.

The 5960X results are almost certainly overclocked processors or significantly different settings from what WCCF has shown. A stock 5960X doesn't have that sort of advantage over the 4790 (which is in the benchmark in the OP) in AotS.

Regardless, not even the most wildly optimistic predictions have had Zen as IPC competitive with Skylake. AMD's own vague statements, which may themselves be optimistic, have suggested IPC to be in the ballpark of Haswell or Broadwell.
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It's barely 8C, depending on what you count a module as.

A vishera module is two cores. Two cores that share some more resources than their Intel counterparts, and two weak cores, but two cores none the less.

The idea that AMD's modules are less than two cores is a myth perpetuated by those that think core count is a performance metric, in and of itself.
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Mark these words, AMD will have a good product here but they will over price the heck out it making it look bad. They do this often. Remember the FX9 series CPU's? Even their RX 470 and 480 are overpriced compared to their competition. The 390 and 390x at launch were overpriced too. I could go on.

The only parts I can think of from AMD that haven't been priced relatively competitively are those that either had no competition, or those that didn't didn't exist in high volume in the first place...mostly One off FX parts.

Even the 390/390X were priced competitively with the cards they were intended to compete against. They just weren't priced competitively with the cards they replaced in AMD's own line up.

Anyway, I'd expect AMD to price Zen to slightly undercut Intel in price/performance ratio. Maybe they'll go a little high at first to grab some easy money from idiotic fans who would buy anything with AMD on it, but even if they did so, they would rapidly adjust price to make the parts competitive.
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Anyway, I'd expect AMD to price Zen to slightly undercut Intel in price/performance ratio. Maybe they'll go a little high at first to grab some easy money from idiotic fans who would buy anything with AMD on it, but even if they did so, they would rapidly adjust price to make the parts competitive.

If that core is priced at $250, it would be between the i5 and i7 offerings in terms of price and performance. And I'd straight up buy the hell out of it.
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I'll wait until more benchmarks and more information is available before jumping to conclusions myself.., I do want AMD to do well... but i also don't want them to surpass the 6700k for my own selfish reasons. We need competition and it would be nice to see them finally competing in some meaningful way, as it has gotten to the point that I can't see a reason someone would buy a AMD chip unless they already had a AM3+ board and just wanted modest increases in performance.

Black Friday. 130 for an 8350, was pretty good. I paid 90 for my phenom 2 x2 unlocked to a stable x4. And my 8350 clocks to 4.7 at 1.48v which isn't bad.

In due respect I got lucky twice. So for me amd has been a cheap alternative.
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