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I'm surprised to see that no Cinebench numbers or similar benchmark scores have been leaked yet, if this is a true result.
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

8 Cores with HT and barely faster then FX which is not true 8 Core and ancient.


The OS HAL has to see the threads to use them right, probably M$ Losedows is treating it precisely like it treats the FX PruneDrinkers... by intentionally gimping the threads to keep from log jamming the stack.

Looks very very much like a driver issue... Just like the 9 or so months after BlameDoozie came out and windows wouldn't actually feed it 2 threads per core at all.
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Originally Posted by naz2 View Post

an 8core that's supposed to come out in a year can't match a 4core from 2 years ago? please tell me this is a joke


Oh, come ON man. You can't lay a straight line out there like that!

Yes, attempting to compare the single best gaming processor intel has ever made to a productivity workstation processor that runs at a little over half the clock speed and doesn't even have OS compatability drivers on speed alone is definitely a joke.

How many kids can you take to school in an F1 car? If you read a little more you'll see people talking about how AotS seems to be 4c/4t limited.
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I'd like to also point out that the intel chips listed in the AotS benchmarks are reporting their base clock, not the speed at which they were running during the benchmark process.
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Originally Posted by Snee View Post

I'm surprised to see that no Cinebench numbers or similar benchmark scores have been leaked yet, if this is a true result.


Thats why this is in the "Rumors and Stuff WCCF Posts" section.
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I'm wondering how you deduced it's good value without knowing the price? Also... I for one am not exactly impressed so far even with a relatively small clock gap showing higher numbers. People seem to be missing out on the fact that the 4670 is 4c4t vs a 8c16t cpu in a benchmark that takes advantage of 8 threads (potentially more). So.... a cpu with 12 more threads to work with coming out in early-mid 2017 is a few frames faster than a quad core cpu based on an architecture that launched in 2013.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to do well as I really want AMD to be competitive but I think some of you are hyping yourself too much without knowing anything concrete. People keep claiming it will be such a good value but do you all really think AMD will, let alone can afford to sell a 8c16t chip as cheaply as the FX is priced currently? Intel will already be near cannon lake at the point of release.. and kaby lake isn't even out yet.

The thing is, any reasonable and realistic enthusiasts out there have known all along that Zen was never going to compete with Intel's latest and fastest processors. I've been saying forever that if they can just match or beat IB with Zen then it will be a huge win for AMD and I'm sticking to that. You have to realize how far behind they have been since BD so it would take a miracle for AMD to catch all the way up to Skylake in their very first post-BD effort. What's more, they don't have to beat Intel at all in order to be competitive; they just have to offer something that is close with good value which is something they haven't done since the old Phenoms. All that said, I am still a big believer in Keller so it wouldn't totally shock me if Zen ended up being better than I expect.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

The thing is, any reasonable and realistic enthusiasts out there have known all along that Zen was never going to compete with Intel's latest and fastest processors. I've been saying forever that if they can just match or beat IB with Zen then it will be a huge win for AMD and I'm sticking to that. You have to realize how far behind they have been since BD so it would take a miracle for AMD to catch all the way up to Skylake in their very first post-BD effort. What's more, they don't have to beat Intel at all in order to be competitive; they just have to offer something that is close with good value which is something they haven't done since the old Phenoms. All that said, I am still a big believer in Keller so it wouldn't totally shock me if Zen ended up being better than I expect.

Intel's greatest CPUs are just too expensive lol. Nobody here cares for CPUs over 6800K really.
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Wat. The 5960X is only 3 GHz and the 6900K is only 3.2 GHz. I have no idea how this game scales with CPU frequency but a better comparison would have been to a 5960X.

5960x boosts to 3.5GHz stock. This Zen ES CPU boosts to 3.2GHz. Not to mention we know average overclocking results for the 5960x bring it to about 4.4GHz.

6900k boosts to 3.7GHz stock. Average overclock is around 4.3GHz.

I have already posted 5960x results for another member as a comparison and you can see that this chip WILL NOT be competing with a 5960x or a 6900k because the 5960X scores around 90fps stock in this benchmark whereas even with a 4.0GHz overclock on the Zen CPU you would only be doing about 70 fps. This Zen ES with a 4.0GHz overclock is only directly competing with a 4790k score wise in this benchmark (posted comparative results as well earlier on in the thread.)

So even if the finalized clocks for this Zen CPU are 3.5-3.6GHz boost and you can overclock it to about 4.2GHz max still at that point will not be competing with a 5960x or 6900k based on these early benchmarks (and the only reason why I limit overclocking to about 4.2GHz on these chips is because it's GF 14nm LPP which has proven to not be a high performance process). If you look for the benchmarks I posted for bruce you will see that when you start overclocking the 5960x it goes to 100 fps and then to a 120 fps again compared to our 70 fps with the Zen CPU @ 4.0GHz overclock

Now of course we don't know how it performs in multi-threaded situations like in Cinebench or encoding or even other games so it is really hard to determine what exactly it will be competing with especially without pricing. However, based on these benchmarks it looks like it would be competing with a Haswell i7 like a 4770k or 4790k but offering more cores.

If the chip can deliver similar gaming performance as a 4790k but encoding performance or multi-threaded performance equivalent to a 5960x and is priced around $350 of course it will be an amazing value and competitive chip. But again we don't have any other benchmarks to go off of besides this one so it is really hard to determine the actual performance of the chip when we aren't able to see all 8 cores and 16 threads utilized. This benchmark isn't the best for revealing that information.

Hopefully soon we will see leaked Cinebench 11.5 and R15 benchmarks. Wherein at that point we will really be able to determine how well it performs when using all of its cores and threads. Now if in these benchmarks it indeed shows that it is performing similarly to a 5960x then at that point I would say comparing it to a 5960x would make more sense. But until we see some benchmarks where the chip is being fully utilized, it looks to be that it is only performing about as good as a 4790k even when the Zen chip is @ 4.0GHz.
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From what I see from those shots... that ZEN CPU is a Quad Core CPU (4 Physical Cores) with HT (8 Logical Cores). So we are looking at 1:1 physical core ratio here between this supposed ZEN CPU and the Intel Core i5 4670K.

EDIT: Nevermind... I misread the screenshots. In that case then the performance is not that impressive.

Yeah was trying to slow down the hype train earlier on in this thread before it got out of hand, but while it isn't the most amazing showing we still have yet to see multi-threaded results so all hope is not lost until we see those benchmarks and pricing.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 8/11/16 at 10:24pm
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