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You are trying to propagate that there is some funny business going on with Cinebench. Cinebench is a reliable and well-rounded benchmark. If it fails in Cinebench you can be sure it will fail elsewhere. thumb.gif

I was just meaning that nothing can be reliable benchmark for all the x86 CPUs if it uses Intel C++ compiler. thumb.gif
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Because its not the GPU, but the process technology. In this case we are talking about GlobalFoundries 14nm LPP which is being used in both Zen and Polaris as well as other products from AMD:
http://techreport.com/news/29287/glofo-successfully-builds-amd-chips-on-14-nm-finfet-lpp-process
Soo?? this means nothing. Do you remember old c2d chips? Some could bearly hit 4ghz other were going near 5ghz. Silicon lottery, fab quality, chip design also affects clocks, revisions (polaris might be a fail chip, it needed 7 or more revisions to finally hit the market, and i belive that r9 3xx radeons were made to cover the market because of polaris delay, afterall they were on market for ~half a year). We know nothing about OC potential of zen.
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I was just meaning that nothing can be reliable benchmark for all the x86 CPUs if it uses Intel C++ compiler. thumb.gif

I think a lot of these synthetics are pretty good at showing overall performance though and allowing different chips to be easily compared.
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We know nothing about OC potential of zen.

We do, it's an 8 core, it's not going to clock that well to begin with. This is not Intel's 14nm man this is GloFo. So again, we have an idea.

You believe this means nothing, it means nothing to you because you don't understand it. Plain and simple.
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You are trying to propagate that there is some funny business going on with Cinebench. Cinebench is a reliable and well-rounded benchmark. If it fails in Cinebench you can be sure it will fail elsewhere. thumb.gif

This is true. Cinebench is probably the best benchmark out there for gauging parallel floating point performance. Unless you test single core performance it won't say much about gaming performance, but it is a very accurate representation for what you can expect in multithreaded workloads.
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Because its not the GPU, but the process technology.

Design/architecture has a huge impact on clock potential, making it nearly impossible to draw conclusions from process alone.
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Indeed it is fine as it is AMD vs AMD. Though there is a reason they didn't compare their CPUs to Intel's in Cinebench wink.gif

Performance in Cinebench is representative of performance in Cinema 4D (at least for the version contemporary at the time of a given Cinebench release), irrespective of CPU brand.
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I was just meaning that nothing can be reliable benchmark for all the x86 CPUs if it uses Intel C++ compiler. thumb.gif

Plenty of actual, real-world, programs use Intel's compilers and any bias due to that fact says nothing about the reliability of a benchmark.

Bias isn't always something that can be avoided and even when it can, sometimes the biased tool is still the best tool.
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I think a lot of these synthetics are pretty good at showing overall performance though and allowing different chips to be easily compared.

Cinebench is based on a real-world app, so it's not a synthetic benchmark, just a canned one.
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The hype train never stops biggrin.gif
On a serious note if those numbers are true and if the retail zen cpus can at least clock to 3.8/4.0 and priced correctly ( between an i5 and an i7 pricetag ) Zen will be a huge sucess especialy if the AM4 platform will have lot of features thumb.gif
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We do, it's an 8 core, it's not going to clock that well to begin with. This is not Intel's 14nm man this is GloFo. So again, we have an idea.

You believe this means nothing, it means nothing to you because you don't understand it. Plain and simple.

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Edited by prznar1 - 8/12/16 at 3:38am
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Meh Cinebench is closed source, compiled with ICC with specific IMKL optimizations for latest Intel ISAs. Even AMD and Intel share most of x86-64 ISA, Cinebench should be used as a benchmark for AMD vs AMD and Intel vs Intel, not Intel vs AMD, imho. Why ? because ICC based apps are well known to check for CPUID before they run optimally on any CPUs.

In that case you should inform AMD about it, so that they can:

- Stop compiling their display drivers with ICC
- Stop compiling their math library (ACML) with IFort
- Stop using ICC compiled Maxon Cinebenches and Futuremark 3DMarks as part of their internal test suites for performance evaluation

A fully Intel optimized binary won't even execute on AMD CPUs without it being specifically patched by hand. Unless you are using ICC from 2007 - 2009, of course.
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AMD APU With Haswell IPC is EPIC!

Pretty much what I'm looking for out of Zen. After seeing how capable a 15w tdp apu (A8 6410) is, I can imagine how well even this gpu would do with dual channel memory and zen based ipc.
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I think people neglect the most important aspect of Cinebench. The reason
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AMD APU With Haswell IPC is EPIC!

I fail to see the price you want this AMD APU with Haswell IPC to be EPIC. It is highly unlikely you will get it for the current prices. Expect a hefty increase from AMD has the millions in R&D need to be recovered. Investors are not unhappy until their return is adequate.
 
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