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Well in my opinion,if Polaris is anything to go by,Zen will be just as big of a disappointment.So those who are waiting for Zen to build new PC,i don't see the point.How many times will AMD disappoint us before people come to their senses?

Polaris to me wasn't a complete disappointment. The 8GB version is overpriced. But the 4GB at MSRP (even AIB, so we're talking $229) is decent enough when comparing to the 1060 in DX11 (usually 10-15% behind). And performs on par with the 1060 in DX12, and in some cases, even beats it. Problem is, AIB and Retailers are pushing the 8Gb hard, and the 4GB is hard to find.

Power consumption? yeah, could've been a lot better. But AIB coolers are keeping temps in check decently enough.
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Polaris would be perfectly okay if it sold at MSRP.

   
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Polaris would be perfectly okay if it sold at MSRP.

As would its GTX counterparts. (cept, in my opinion for the 1080)
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Come on red team don't let me down this time, I bought Bulldozer within 2 weeks of the release and was underwhelmed. Make my name great again.....trump face.
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We do, it's an 8 core, it's not going to clock that well to begin with. This is not Intel's 14nm man this is GloFo. So again, we have an idea.

Given that we already have 8C chips from AMD that have a stock frequency of 4.7 GHz while being fabricated on a now-ancient process, your assertion would appear to be in conflict with itself. That isn't to say Zen will clock highly or not, just that there is no evidence with which to assume one way or the other. We don't know what attention was given to its design with regards to pipelining, clock distribution, and everything else important for frequency scaling. We do know that GF's 14 nm process is probably not exceedingly impressive given the clock speeds of Polaris products. I assume they're both on GF's 14 nm LPP. All we have is speculation though.
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They said 40% faster than Excavator before including die shrink at one point.
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wrong thread. delete.
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I was just meaning that nothing can be reliable benchmark for all the x86 CPUs if it uses Intel C++ compiler. thumb.gif

I think AoTS uses ICC as well.
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In that case you should inform AMD about it, so that they can:

- Stop compiling their display drivers with ICC
- Stop compiling their math library (ACML) with IFort
- Stop using ICC compiled Maxon Cinebenches and Futuremark 3DMarks as part of their internal test suites for performance evaluation

A fully Intel optimized binary won't even execute on AMD CPUs without it being specifically patched by hand. Unless you are using ICC from 2007 - 2009, of course.

+1 for the info.
I was unaware of the driver and ACML part. Well, if AMD compiles their drivers/ACML with ICC/IFort by themselves(obviously) we can be sure they are well optimized, since CPUID check is not done by default compiler settings I think.
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This is true. Cinebench is probably the best benchmark out there for gauging parallel floating point performance. Unless you test single core performance it won't say much about gaming performance, but it is a very accurate representation for what you can expect in multithreaded workloads.

That's why personally I would like to see this benchmark ran on this chip. Should give us a great idea of its actual performance.
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Design/architecture has a huge impact on clock potential, making it nearly impossible to draw conclusions from process alone.

Cinebench is based on a real-world app, so it's not a synthetic benchmark, just a canned one.

I understand that there are other variables to consider in regards to clockspeed however I feel like saying around 4.2GHz for a true 8 core CPU (about 200MHz less than a 5960X average) is better than people expecting Zen to do "5GHz OC on Air!" We know in November we are going to start seeing leaked overclocking results for Zen and I can basically picture the headlines now. tongue.gif

It does appear to be a real world test, but that doesn't change how I feel about being able to easily compare different products and being able to do the same with other benchmarks like 3DMark that a lot of people tend to have issues with regarding legitimacy of results.
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It could very well be that it clocks great for all we know, maybe 4.5GHz under water, except it just doesn't have a lot in its favor. It's not like I don't want it to clock well, I just don't want people to go into it thinking its going to clock amazingly and then get let down later.
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Given that we already have 8C chips from AMD that have a stock frequency of 4.7 GHz while being fabricated on a now-ancient process, your assertion would appear to be in conflict with itself. That isn't to say Zen will clock highly or not, just that there is no evidence with which to assume one way or the other. We don't know what attention was given to its design with regards to pipelining, clock distribution, and everything else important for frequency scaling. We do know that GF's 14 nm process is probably not exceedingly impressive given the clock speeds of Polaris products. I assume they're both on GF's 14 nm LPP. All we have is speculation though.

It would appear to be a conflict if the 8350 was actually a true 8 Core CPU. There is some evidence, the ES sample is starting off really low to begin with. It is a true 8 core 16 thread CPU unlike the 8350. So again, will have some difficulty with amazing clockspeeds. And of course GF's 14nm LPP that they are using. But surely it's all speculation, but it's not speculation based off of nothing.
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