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post #261 of 306
I always rmb how AMD hype their BZ... Now add this with possible delay I rather not pin on anything though
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post #262 of 306
The thing about BD's marketing at the time is that it likely was a premeditated plan of attack to try and deflect attention away from the actual performance of what AMD knew at the time was not going to be a competitive product. Given the entirely different route they have taken concerning Zen's marketing this time around I think that bodes well for what AMD thinks about its performance internally. The biggest thing about Zen that should make everybody optimistic is that Jim Keller designed the thing. There's almost no chance at all IMO that it will be the same kind of dumpster fire that BD was considering his intimate involvement in the design of the chip. I'd be more worried about GF and 14nm than Zen's design tbh...
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The thing with Ashe's of the Singularity is that it does not scale well past 4 cores when using Hyper Threading. The engine scales well past 4 Physical cores but not well past 8 logical cores. This tells me that Ashe's of the Singularity was programmed to take advantage of up to 8 physical cores... anything more is a waste. Since the scores provided for Zen also encompass the CPU scores then we can extrapolate that the supposed AMD chip (if this test is valid) is capable of some damn impressive performance figures.



HT seems to give Intel Quad Core CPUs a 20% boost in AotS. Therefore we can somewhat extrapolate that the AMD CPU might be obtaining around or less than a 20% boost in performance attributable to its inclusion of HT.


So 58FPS minus 20% is around 46-47FPS. This means that clock for clock... this supposed ZEN chip is likely/possibly more powerful than the Haswell based Core i5 4670K.

Just because Intel get's a 20% boost doesn't mean AMD gets 20% or less. POWER8 can double performance by enabling SMTx8 (actually 2.6x faster in some tests) and in SMTx2 (equivalent of Intel), gains are very often 45-65%. SMT performance is partially based on scheduling, but a huge amount has to do with how much hardware are you willing to duplicate. The more hardware you repeat, the higher your scaling can become until you switch from SMT to full-blown CMT. Bulldozer had a microarchitecture issue, but ultimately, the idea of CMT and CMT + SMT is very sound. I would suspect that all AMD's experience with CMT will have a non-trivial impact on their implementation of SMT.
Edited by hajile - 8/22/16 at 7:51am
post #264 of 306
Do you think the delay in release, H2 2017 wasn't it?, Will enable AMD to put PCiE 4.0 on motherboards and skip 3.1 altogether?
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No way, this will require significant changes. Maybe in the next refresh they will be able to do it. No point in hyping a release that is your life saving boat, just to delay it for 6 months, for a feature that is not going to be widely used (its for extra-high end).
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Do you think the delay in release, H2 2017 wasn't it?, Will enable AMD to put PCiE 4.0 on motherboards and skip 3.1 altogether?

If companies delayed a product due to emerging tech, nothing would ever get released. There is a point in the design process where it is decided what goes on, and what doesn't. This isn't the final Zen, and there will be newer versions with PCIe Gen 4.
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post #267 of 306
It is quite obvious that AMD is working with pci-sig, so i bet that zen+ will feature pci-e 4.0. First zen with pci-e 4.0? Doubtfull.
post #268 of 306
AMD claimed 2x performance of "Orochi" and everyone translated this to 2x performance of FX 8350 wich is Vishera. Orochi is FX 8100 series.

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-performance-double-fx-8350/



There is even no number on the scale so this really means nothing, however bulldozer scored around 6pts. in Cinebench so its 12 for Summit. wth.gif
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AMD claimed 2x performance of "Orochi" and everyone translated this to 2x performance of FX 8350 wich is Vishera. Orochi is FX 8100 series.

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-performance-double-fx-8350/



There is even no number on the scale so this really means nothing, however bulldozer scored around 6pts. in Cinebench so its 12 for Summit. wth.gif

They compared it to latest EX iteration, so likely Bristol Ridge.
post #270 of 306
It looks like AMD have made a massive improvement over their FX series which was a monumental disappointment. Competing with Haswell isn't ideal though, I mean it's still impressive if they can make such an improvement but I can't imagine they'll be able to sell their 8 cores much cheaper than the Kaby Lake quad cores :s
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