Without further details, we are limited in what we can come up. How many cores and threads are there?
Another big consideration is that release silicon often has a bump up in clocks compared to engineering samples. Will Zen? By how much is a big question too.
Originally Posted by Charcharo
Recently I have noticed that many people in the PC Gaming/Tech community seem to lack good long term thinking capabilities or empathy. Which saddens me as it affects our art form as well.
That is how that thinking exists. Without AMD doing well, we the consumers wont get good products. It is that simple. Not an if scenario, but a fact. And our wallets would be under assault even more viciously.
It is not the AMD or Intel engineer that will have any problems (those people wont have problems with well payed jobs) but PC Gaming, us the consumers, technology that will suffer. Such is life though.
At least the drama is fun.
A very well earned rep.
I fear that on the CPU side, since the Core 2 Conroe days, AMD has been trying to play catch-up mode. This was due heavily due to AMD's own mismanagement, particularly under Hector Ruiz and his successors, but Intel's unethical behavior has also added to this. Compounding the problem, AMD seems to have lost a great deal of ground to Nvidia compared to its peak (arguably in recent times, that would be Cypress vs Fermi, although the ATI 9800 Pro days were an even bigger win). I just hope that they can catch up.
These seems to be this perverse pleasure from many, particular right now in GPUs that AMD being knocked out of the picture is somehow good. Compounding this is a rather bizarre Stockholm-like syndrome attacking people for calling out Nvidia for raising the price of both its mid-level offerings like the GTX 1080 and its flagship Titan X. Folks, if Intel and Nvidia gain total control, they will raise prices aggressively. That is a loss for us, unless you own stock of either company. It would take years for another company to rise and the barriers to entry might be so great that a permanent monopoly might be the status quo.
It's the consumer mentality at its worst. The optimal situation is when both sides are roughly at 50-50 marketshare and vying aggressively for consumer money.
Originally Posted by Kinaesthetic
I'd be happy with the bit more than Ivy Bridge performance, because that would mean that AMD isn't entirely uncompetitive. Particularly depending on pricing, this thing will either be uncompetitive, or barely competitive with Intel's offerings. And that won't be enough to capture the larger market imo. Capturing AMD users moving to AMD is one thing, but getting Intel users (a much larger market) to move to AMD is another.However
, I wouldn't purchase it in the slightest if it is Ivy Bridge performance, or very close to it. Making a good CPU is one thing. Making a good CPU worth moving to is another thing. And if it doesn't support XPoint, I'm not moving to it in the slightest, because there is more to a computer than just the CPU. You have to think of the entire platform. I'm due to update my rig since I need more SATA3 ports (and want XPoint/NVMe support). And there are a lot of us on Sandy Bridge/Ivy that are in a similar situation. AMD needs to come up with a part that exceeds Intel or they really are only just going to maintain the status quo.
It really is a combination of everything. The performance and the price of the CPU certainly play a huge factor. Overclocked performance, of course, is what we consumers are after. Power consumption will play a huge role in how the Zen Opteron competes versus the Skylake Purley Xeons.
Other factors though are the platform, the cost of the platform, the motherboards, the RAM support, RAM overclocking, and so on. We will have to wait and see to be honest.
On the other hand, I think there is one matter - it could be big for APUs - for slightly worse CPU performance, you could get a much better GPU than Intel (at a given price), and a much better package overall. Again, price and features will dictate, not just raw single threaded performance.Edited by CrazyElf - 8/10/16 at 8:39pm