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"Nvidia repeatedly warns reviewers that one of the issues they may run into while testing out the graphics card is a CPU bottleneck. Essentially, it's the computer's CPU, not the graphics card, that may be limiting the graphical fidelity of your games. That was certainly the case with my computer, which has an Intel Core i7-2600K CPU running at 3.4 GHz, in a few of my tests [on Paragon]. "

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GoJjNApfg28J:www.notey.com/blogs/paragon-essentials-edition+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Very sick of everyone always jumping to the "just oc your cpu" as a fix without looking further. There is clearly more than just an issue with the cpu clockspeed when lowering graphical settings are boosting his frames tremendously (atleast from my understanding he can get 60fps at lowest settings). If this was a cpu bound in the same area the graphical settings wouldn't make a difference.

Sure, oc'ing will result in higher frame rates overall but there is a bigger issue here.

Edit:

OP, are you are implying that it dips below 60fps even on lowest settings or when above lowest? Sorry, just want to clarify. If it's dropping that low on lowest at 1080p, have you tried dropping to an even lower res just to test? If the frames remain the same in those area then yes, the game is clearly coded like crap.
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And to those who are arguing this game is 'well optimized'.. yeah.. sure sounds like it. A 5-second Google revealed at least 4-5 threads of guys who are suffering through this game due to high CPU usage or poor optimization in general (which an OC would help with).

https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/forums/showthread.php?17291-Poor-CPU-Multi-thread-Utilization#post_0

https://www.reddit.com/r/paragon/comments/4j7kyj/100_cpu_usage_completely_unplayable/

https://www.epicgames.com/unrealtournament/forums/showthread.php?23667-This-game-has-a-bad-CPU-bottleneck-AMD-problem-that-should-be-fixed
while its true this game in particular may have high cpu usage Its not really just this game. There are other games such as H1Z1, ARK: Survival Evolved, Dead By daylight, and 7 days to die. All of these, my friends seemed to either have the same/better FPS than me when we play together.

On a good note, I did a ton of stuff that people were suggesting besides Overclocking. and from my tests beforehand, my fps did improve by like 15%.
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Very sick of everyone always jumping to the "just oc your cpu" as a fix without looking further.

And I'm sick of people with poor reading comprehension.

He has already tried uninstalling his driver and driver/Windows adjustments. And if you read just a post or two up you will see that this game is poorly optimized and heavy on the CPU. A 5-second Google will tell you that, and I pulled 3 links and posted them here.

I even posted a direct quote from a reviewer who is running the same CPU as he is at the same speeds with almost the same card (1080) and experiencing similar problems on the same game.

It very well could be his problem, and many of you are steering him in the wrong direction. Some of you are seriously misinformed by telling people that a 2600k at stock speed isn't going to be a bottleneck on modern games.
Edited by Viveacious - 8/11/16 at 6:27pm
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And I'm sick of people with poor reading comprehension.

He has already tried uninstalling his driver and driver/Windows adjustments. And if you read just a post or two up you will see that this game is poorly optimized and heavy on the CPU. A 5-second Google will tell you that, and I pulled 3 links and posted them here.

I even posted a direct quote from a reviewer who is running the same CPU as he is at the same speeds with almost the same card (1080) and experiencing similar problems on the same game.

It very well could be his problem, and many of you are steering him in the wrong direction. Some of you are seriously misinformed by telling people that a 2600k at stock speed isn't going to be a bottleneck on modern games.

Wonderful. So how about my simple suggestion above to lower the resolution? It's a lot easier to determine a bottleneck that way than telling someone with zero oc'ing experience to just overclock his cpu first. But no, lets turn this thread into a tutorial on how to overclock first.

Yes, if he is looking for 144hz then a stock 2600k is going to be an issue, but the guy is dropping down into the 40's. Either the game is just flat out coded horribly or has other issues causing the poor performance. Obviously an overclock will boost frames in a cpu limited area and if this game is running that poorly the developers have a lot of work on their hands.

Edit:

Good suggestion below regarding the temps... and on that note do you have any sudden spikes or dips in performance where not much has changed in gameplay but the frames dropped by a large amount?
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Hey there Klaz48, lets see if there might be an issue before its "oh overclock it" or "oh go buy a new one". It might be a bottleneck issue, but that cpu is no slouch. I'm really surprised that no one has thought to ask you about how warm your components are running.

That machine has been around for a while right? If something is causing the processor or graphics card to get too warm, they could be throttling pretty bad. When was the last time you applied new thermal paste to the processor? Could you open up HWMonitor and see how warm everything is getting? How clean are the fans and/or filters? What kind of case are you using and what does the airflow look like? Is the machine stuck under a desk or somewhere it is starved for air?

You would probably see a decent performance jump by overclocking, but there still might be something causing the problem, lets try to eliminate any possible issues. thumb.gif
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while its true this game in particular may have high cpu usage Its not really just this game. There are other games such as H1Z1, ARK: Survival Evolved, Dead By daylight, and 7 days to die. All of these, my friends seemed to either have the same/better FPS than me when we play together.

On a good note, I did a ton of stuff that people were suggesting besides Overclocking. and from my tests beforehand, my fps did improve by like 15%.

You just listed games that are all CPU dependant versus graphically demanding.

It should be quite easy to overclock your cpu. Find the multiplier and set it to 40-44 for a 4.0-4.4Ghz clock and experiment wth voltage in the 1.2v range.

Paragon is a moba with unreal engine 4 powering it. If you want high min/max fps then have a decent cpu at 4ghz at least as to not bottleneck anything else.

If you want actually useful diagnostics please have OP respond with cpu clocks and core usage, gpu clocks and core usage, possibly ram and temperatures. For all we know the titan is going into power saving mode and might be holding up the cpu.

Paragon is quite graphically demanding(and looks amazing) at max graphics. Usually the gpu is the bottleneck at that point. Ive played the game with my sig rig and a laptop with 4720hq and 970m, i could get 70-90fps with high settings on either and it usually had my gpu screaming at 99%. Something is holding that titan back.
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Everyone please also reference this...

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/paragon_beta_pc_performance_review/8

A 980ti paired with a oc'ed 6700k is getting 199fps avg and a min of 102fps on low settings at 1080p. Now obviously an oc'ed 6700k is faster than a stock 3.4ghz (which often sits at the turbo speed of 3.8ghz mind you) 2600k, but you are telling me with an even faster gpu over the 980ti - he is losing 61fps on the minimum and averaging around 140fps less?

That's also from March, I'd imagine performance has improved since.
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Is that Titan X (pascal) or Titan X (Maxwell)?
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None of them are at 100%, but some are around 80%ish, some 50% ish, and 1 has no activity.
My mobo is lga1155, i don't think it can take that cpu.

The fact that none of them are at 100% to me says that it's not the CPU bottlenecking your performance at the moment.

As a couple of others have said, checking your temperatures is a good plan, as is double checking that lowering the resolution has no effect on your performance (another way of checking if it's a CPU issue).

Despite being a few years old, even at 3.4GHz the 2600K is a good CPU and does not necessarily bottleneck your performance around 60fps (but would likely need to be overclocked to reach 144fps)
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