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Nixeus Revel Gaming Mouse Review

Disclaimer: The OCN labs program provided me with a review sample of the Nixeus Revel. No form of compensation is given for this other than access to the product. I do not own the product and I am asked to hold onto it until it is needed for future for giveaways or for future use in the lab that OCN will setup.



The Revel in shape is a copy of the famous Steelseries Xai/Sensei shape but fitted with the latest sensor available, the PixArt 3360, which is a public version of the 3366 in the most recent Logitech mice. It is widely renowned as the best sensor currently available. So in theory, this mouse should tick a lot of boxes for mouse enthusiasts. Let’s see if it does.

The version I review here is the glossy white version with the white top, it’s also available in rubberized black.



Boxing

The mouse comes in a small box which is similar in style to the old Zowie boxes.

What's included:
- Nixeus Revel mouse
- Manual
- A small warranty sheet

Box:









Weight & Shape

The shape is obviously very similar to the Xai/Sensei, although not completely identical. But in its dimensions it’s basically the same.
It’s a very nice shape to me, although personally I prefer the FK1+ a bit more. But that’s nitpicking, both the Revel and the ZA11/FK1+ are great shapes to me that I can use with identical results.

Weight: 85 g (actually 84 g on my scale)
Height: ~ 39 mm
Width: ~ 68 mm
Length: ~ 126 mm
Number of buttons: 6

















Comparison
ZA11 - Sensei RAW - Nixeus Revel - G900 - WMO


How I grip the mouse







Of course shape is completely individual preference, so everyone has to try for himself in the end. The perfect shape for me might be horrible for others. So please keep the pictures of my grip in mind for comparison.



Sensor / Performance

What you’d expect from a 3360, it’s really good.

I’ll only post the mouse tester screen for the 400 CPI step, but rest assured it performs the same on the others too, at least in terms of PCS




CPI steps




Funny enough, the Revel is one of the few mice I know that has CPI steps consistently higher than the nominal value. Which is not too bad, you just have to adjust your sensitivity for it.
The steps are 400, 800, 1200, 1600, 2000, 3200, 5000 and 12000.

Jitter tests in paint




All fine here too.

If you are interested in seeing the Revel in action I have a short gameplay video with it.



Speed related accuracy variance


Angular displacement in that video was as follows

-0.28, -1.73, -3.06, 0.71, -0.24, -0.94, -3.61

If you check the swipes I actually do in the video and the method (which is not too exact) those 3.xx swipes could also be due to that. This is definitely better than any 3310. Really good.

Lift Off Distance

LOD is pretty low, barely 1 CD.



Software

Jk, there is none



Buttons / Scroll Wheel / Cable

The main buttons are Omron D2FC-F-7N(20M), wheel and CPI button are YSA, side buttons are something that I don’t know. The button response time for the Revel is a bit higher than the G303 by ~2ms.

Nixeus Revel (A) vs G303 (B)


The mousewheel has a mechanical encoder, some TTC, don’t know which one exactly. I do like the wheel action though, in general I like the feel of a mechanical encoder. Feels more solid than most optical encoders.

The cable is actually really good, very close to a Zowie cable and I’m really happy it is not braided.

Here are some pictures of the PCB and the switches:













Build Quality

Now there have been reports of the Revel having some quality trouble from early adopters, mainly the main buttons being either very hard to click or getting stuck while clicking. I can’t say that any of this applies to my unit, the clicks were ok really. Not light, rather hard as Zowies, but not getting stuck and not unreliable. Maybe I just got lucky or maybe people just expect better buttons. Between the Revel and my Sensei Raw both have very similar clicks. The only thing I can definitely say is that the right click sounds more hollow than the left.
The side buttons aren’t too great in design, mainly because they use a lever system to push down on the switch which causes pre travel, same as with the Zowie EC series for example.
What I really don’t like are the relatively small mousefeet or maybe just the way they are placed. The lower body of the mouse scrapes on my mousepad in downward movements. It’s not so bad that I can’t play with it, but enough to be considerably annoying. If I’d decide to use it for a longer time I’d definitely look into aftermarket skates, maybe some hyperglides for MS mice could do the trick. I think if the stock feet were just a bit thicker it would be fine too, but all that would need testing to decide.



Conclusion

All in all my unit is satisfactory, it delivers 3360 performance in a Sensei shape and a year ago this would have been all that was needed and I’d have made the Revel my main driver. Right now there are several mice coming out in a similar shape and many more with the 3360. The sensor difference to the 3310 isn’t even that great, at least not for my performance and there are lots of good ambi shapes.
So on the strong side the Revel has a good sensor, a good cable and a great shape. On the weak side it has mixed quality for the buttons and bad mousefeet. You be the judge on how important each part of this is for you personally.
At least the Revel comes at a fair price point if you look at the current competitors.
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Solid review ino. smile.gif

Very fair assessment.
     
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Very solid review, Ino. Fair, too.

My concern about the bad mousefeet is that, even if Nixeus steps up and supplies replacements or something, the problem is more fundamental. I.e. the very design/specs on the feet are probably just bad, so replacements, even if they're marginally less crappy, are never going to be particularly nice. I don't know realistically whether they'd consider starting from scratch somehow with better mousefeet that still occupy the same space, but it'd probably need that level of escalation to really fix.

The only other fix is going to be aftermarket skates that happen to work. I'm hoping people can figure out what works without detracting from performance, since the LOD is so low on the 3360 it's going to be a little more challenging than it might be with other mice/sensors.
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Very solid review, Ino. Fair, too.

My concern about the bad mousefeet is that, even if Nixeus steps up and supplies replacements or something, the problem is more fundamental. I.e. the very design/specs on the feet are probably just bad, so replacements, even if they're marginally less crappy, are never going to be particularly nice. I don't know realistically whether they'd consider starting from scratch somehow with better mousefeet that still occupy the same space, but it'd probably need that level of escalation to really fix.

The only other fix is going to be aftermarket skates that happen to work. I'm hoping people can figure out what works without detracting from performance, since the LOD is so low on the 3360 it's going to be a little more challenging than it might be with other mice/sensors.

I think a big foot at the bottom closer to the corner (similar to how Zowie does it) would solve the issue.
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Thank-you for the review.

We are taking a look at the mouse feet issue that some people are reporting. I am just waiting on confirmation on a proposed resolution. I personally tested 10 randomly selected mice a few days ago for this shipment and was not able to replicate the drag. But I think someone else on our team member did on at least one mouse - but that mouse was taken apart and same mouse feet was put back (edit after confirming). Hopefully I will be able to announce it once we can confirm the solution works.
Edited by Peter Nixeus - 8/11/16 at 4:17pm
 
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In my case the drag went away after some time in QL. My side buttons are also very light with no pretravel.

But the feet do need a change though. They can also pack some extras in if need be like Zowie, EVGA, anyone else does.
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For unrelated but related reference the stock feed on the finalmouse were very sharply cut and had initial drag - after gaming pretty hard with them for 2 weeks they began to.. 'round' and become more slick, now the feet are much more slick and this could be exactly what you guys are experiencing.. just sharp cuts that catch on the fibers of the mousepad
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Funny enough, the Revel is one of the few mice I know that has CPI steps consistently higher than the nominal value.
except for g402 and g302 where logitech literally mislabelled the steps, the ratio of the actual value to the nominal value is theoretically a constant independent, so you can summarize the plot with a single percentage
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except for g402 and g302 where logitech literally mislabelled the steps, the ratio of the actual value to the nominal value is theoretically a constant independent, so you can summarize the plot with a single percentage

I guess back with the G402/302 I didn't really record the CPI steps smile.gif
Yeah for the Revel the percentage is very apparent when you cut the graph at 2000 CPI, it's two lines with a different slope, like it should be I think. I only use the graph because of that weird behaviour of the Mionix back then where the curve flattened around 4800 CPI and then even declined at higher steps.
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For unrelated but related reference the stock feed on the finalmouse were very sharply cut and had initial drag - after gaming pretty hard with them for 2 weeks they began to.. 'round' and become more slick, now the feet are much more slick and this could be exactly what you guys are experiencing.. just sharp cuts that catch on the fibers of the mousepad

Yeah, maybe that is also an issue. Still it shouldn't happen that way because drag=wear on the pad too. And heaving to break in your mouse feet is annoying. But they are looking into it and if it's a lessons learned that benefits upcoming mice (and hopefully these too?) it's a step in the right direction.

I still think that the very back region also digs into the pad itself because of the lack of mouse feet there, but that is just feeling and I'm not going to ruin my pads with some color marking test smile.gif
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So on the strong side the Revel has a good sensor, a good cable and a great shape. On the weak side it has mixed quality for the buttons and bad mousefeet. You be the judge on how important each part of this is for you personally.

Switches can be desoldered and replaced with Omron D2F-01F. Feet are even easier to replace. But one can't just replace the shape or the sensor. (Or weight. khm... G502.)

Btw the side switches are Panasonic EVQP0 with black pin. Which is of the most hated switch ever used in mice (from WMO to G502 wheel tilt). I think both can be replaced to Omron D2F-01F, maybe one is blocked by a resistor, maybe it has a place under the switch.
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