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Originally Posted by spinFX View Post

That is a super weird one, has to be related to electricity given that you mentioned getting electrocuted at your desk.

You said you have changed houses, but I guess if you moved from an 50yr old house to another 50yr old house, they could both have old, dodgy wiring that is causing troubles.
Can you get a tool to measure the power consistency from the wall at your house? A surge protector isn't going to do much for you if the power is really inconsistent, in fact it will just slowly damage the surge protector and your PSU.

Someone mentioned a UPS, might be a good idea also, at least it will ensure that your computer is being delivered a pure, consistent form of energy.

I don't have these kind of devices. The apartments I live in are government owned and always maintained by them on a regular basis, I wouldn't believe such an issue both happening suddenly out of nowhere then stay like it when moving aswell. The odds of having received another faulty PSU are higher than this being the case. But if nothing else ever fixes it in the months to come, I will try to contact them and see if they can test this.

I also live on the second floor, with nearly nothing nearby. The electrocution happened with my old monitor and I wasn't able to replicate it since no matter what I try.
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Originally Posted by Boinz View Post

-In this case, I would try thinking literally outside the box, or the pc case in this situation. Shut everything off, take the motherboard and all the components COMPLETELY out of the case and just rest the motherboard on the case box if you still have it. If you have to start it look at this video on how to "short" the pins (don't worry this is the exact thing the switch on your pc case does in order to turn it on)

-Also someone suggested trying linux, theres a way to try it "LIVE" without necessarily installing it to a hard drive.

What you do is you download the linux iso, for this example my favorite is linux mint cinnamon 64bit
https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=217

you then use a program like YUMI
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/

To mount the iso to boot from a USB flash drive, and boom, it boots from the USB but is a functional OS without touching anything on your hard drives unless you want it to.

-Also, I want a full list of every program you usually install after installing windows.

I almost don't install anything and this problem is there without me having to install anything. It's there from the moment I go into Windows, most likely also in the process menu of installing Windows, so I don't think it's software related. I'll keep the rest in mind and try it later, prob do the linux one before splitting my entire PC.

But here's a list of what I always install:

Steam
Spotify
Chrome

Usual drivers like USB3, audio, network from the motherboards website. I also tried installing more drivers like the chipset, ME etc. and also tried to not install anything at all.

Everything makes a difference but never fixes it. E.g. If I go to uninstall the USB driver right now and install it again, my mouse would feel different both on the process and afterwards.

Same thing with Nvidia drivers. Some of them increases the lag by 500, others are quite nice, but never fixes the issue.

I've also tried running no drivers at all, and the integrated Intel graphics. Both has the same issue.
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Originally Posted by Boinz View Post

Tried any other extensions or wall sockets in the apartment?

Not in the entire apartment but I have multiple power sockets in my room and I've tried another one. Also tried different extensions (and without and extension too)

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Originally Posted by solt View Post

Try latency checker just in case - it takes 2 minutes to install
Boot from usb as others have suggested
Move PC to a different place
Check to see if others are actually experiencing this or is it just you

I will try this. There is a guy (or two) in the nvidia forum that has the exact same problem as me. Everything he says he's experienced has happened to me and vice versa.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/ - it's the only place I've been extremely active in and it's 16 pages long, so it kinda shows everything I've tried and what has helped/made things worse.
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Originally Posted by Micko View Post

I'm not sure from your description if you have the same symptoms as i had when i upgraded to Skylake. Erratic mouse behavior, stutter as if the pointer refreshes itself 10 times per second instead of 60 etc. Everything went back to normal when I installed motherboard and USB3 drivers from the driver disc and restarted the windows.

Have you installed your motherboard drivers ?

I have installed all the drivers yes, also this issue was there when I had the 3570k.

I also don't have stutter or delay. It just freaks out sometimes and start moving in different patterns like goes up and down as if the system is not strong enough to power up the mouse anymore. Other times it just feels weak (gliding on ice) instead of tracking properly.

When I had 3570k, I also experienced a mud feeling/underwater resistance where the cursor would be extremely resistant to my movement.

Every single mouse swipe is related to what I do on PC. Like if installing a program, or going into a certain website, start a youtube video, hover over certain colors or changing certain settings. It's never consistent, keeps changing 24/7

For instance I can go into my email, in the split second it's loading all my emails my mouse would be fast/lagging then stabilize after the loading is done.

Same thing when I over over my taskbar icons, or google images etc. sooooo many things affect it that I could write books. The nvidia forum post has much more in depth information.
Edited by Aymanb - 8/12/16 at 4:52am
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Any updates?
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I encourage you to try a Linux distro (Ubuntu, Mint), the installers will be enough (they have a live session where you can try the OS out). That'll help to blame the hardware, the OS or the drivers.

I would also test the PC in somebody else's house (friends, family) if you suspect it might be power related.
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post #14 of 46
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Any updates?

http://i.imgur.com/3Tk2MPU.png - I had steam, spotify on during some of the tests, and semi browsing.
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Originally Posted by cloppy007 View Post

I encourage you to try a Linux distro (Ubuntu, Mint), the installers will be enough (they have a live session where you can try the OS out). That'll help to blame the hardware, the OS or the drivers.

I would also test the PC in somebody else's house (friends, family) if you suspect it might be power related.

I will try ubuntu thanks.
Edited by Aymanb - 8/13/16 at 9:13pm
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I just tried ubuntu on a USB (without installing it at any drive) and the lag was 200x worse. I could barely move it properly, it was ignoring most of my moves and pretty much teleporting around.. I'm suspecting it's because I need the USB 3.0 drivers no? I tried googling around and didn't find any for linux and there is none in my motherboards website.

Also when I returned to windows 10 (now) the lag is also very bad... prior to not putting the usb at all, it was pretty good or "alright" ... what could have caused all this? I did use the frontpanel USB 3.0 this time for a change... I'll try again from the back panel instead.
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I had similar latency issues in the past and it was down to hardware. You mentioned you have changed almost everything on your pc. What about sound cards, or other modules that take up pci slots?

If I were you I would:

1)Change all cables and connectors
2)Do a clean install. Only windows, updated all the way - no non-essential pc component or software. Just windows+latencychecker. Only one hdd or sdd, disconnecting the rest. Even remove the GPU since your mobo should have an onboard variant.
3) Change location of pc - literally, pick case up and take it to a friend's house or at work or anywhere else with an electric socket and screen.
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I just tried ubuntu on a USB (without installing it at any drive) and the lag was 200x worse. I could barely move it properly, it was ignoring most of my moves and pretty much teleporting around.. I'm suspecting it's because I need the USB 3.0 drivers no? I tried googling around and didn't find any for linux and there is none in my motherboards website.

Also when I returned to windows 10 (now) the lag is also very bad... prior to not putting the usb at all, it was pretty good or "alright" ... what could have caused all this? I did use the frontpanel USB 3.0 this time for a change... I'll try again from the back panel instead.

did you boot from a case usb slot or from the back of the motherboard? also try USB 2.0 slot instead of USB 3.0.


I just had an idea, when you assemble your rig, do you use the same exact tools (screwdrivers, location)
Edited by Boinz - 8/14/16 at 8:22am
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I just tried ubuntu on a USB (without installing it at any drive) and the lag was 200x worse. I could barely move it properly, it was ignoring most of my moves and pretty much teleporting around.. I'm suspecting it's because I need the USB 3.0 drivers no? I tried googling around and didn't find any for linux and there is none in my motherboards website.

Also when I returned to windows 10 (now) the lag is also very bad... prior to not putting the usb at all, it was pretty good or "alright" ... what could have caused all this? I did use the frontpanel USB 3.0 this time for a change... I'll try again from the back panel instead.
You don't need drivers for Linux, usually. And if you needed them, the mouse would not work at all. I guess you've already tried pluggin the mouse in a USB 2 port, haven't you?

I think it's already time to test your PC somewhere else.
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post #19 of 46
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Originally Posted by Boinz View Post

did you boot from a case usb slot or from the back of the motherboard? also try USB 2.0 slot instead of USB 3.0.


I just had an idea, when you assemble your rig, do you use the same exact tools (screwdrivers, location)

I used the frontpanel usb 3.0 to boot (my usb is a 3.0 aswell) but when I returned to windows 10, the lag was worse than before I tried ubuntu.. like a lot worse. But when I put my hand on the frontpanel USB 3.0, it kinda decreased the lag... so I went to try and remove the entire USBs from the frontpanel, but broke the power switch cables in the meantime ( http://imgur.com/a/0mSaf ) rolleyes.gif edit: fixed the power switch.

I only use one single screwdriver for everything.
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You don't need drivers for Linux, usually. And if you needed them, the mouse would not work at all. I guess you've already tried pluggin the mouse in a USB 2 port, haven't you?

I think it's already time to test your PC somewhere else.

This lag is also there if I don't install usb drivers on windows.. for instance, when I got my motherboard, I had to make a windows 7 installation using the MSI win7 tool, because it added USB 3.0 drivers into the actual installations for my USB's to work/not lag. Windows 10 doesn't require this, but the same lag i used to have in windows 7 (non-usb drivers) happened in ubuntu.

I will try the pc somewhere else as a very last resort. There is just a guy (or two) that has the exact same problem as me, and this problem started 6 months ago (I've been gaming everyday for 5 years with no problems before that) and since then, I've moved to this place (3 months ago) so I wouldn't believe that it's the location I'm in, as much as believing the PSU could be faulty again.
Edited by Aymanb - 8/15/16 at 1:01am
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The problem is always there. The only thing I'm able to do is make it better or worse depending on what I do.


This is not just me "feeling lag"... when this starts lagging, it starts lagging. A rat would notice it because it becomes uncontollable. I'm 90% sure this still has something to do with some parts, most likely the PSU or sata cables etc. running some experiements right now.

For instance, when I put in my USB with ubuntu in it, to "try" linux, the lag in ubuntu was insane. The mouse would ignore 20% of my movements and basically teleporting around.. I figured it was because of the lack of USB 3.0 drivers for my mouse (cuz this used to happen in windows 7 installation if i dont have usb 3.0 drivers included, which the MSI windows installation tool does).

So when I returned to windows 10 and removed the USB.. the lag wasn't teleporting anymore, but it was WAY worse than before I put in the usb in the first place... so I suspected it might be the USB (since I used the frontpanel) and I opened up the frontpanel and removed the entire frontpanel USB, and that didn't make it...

So whatever that USB did has made everything worse, and has stayed worse ever since... so this could also still be an PSU issue.. that the ubuntu USB running thing was too much pressure for it, so it started freaking out.. and when I returned to windows and removed the usb, the pressure was less... therefore, it wasn't as bad as before, but clearly still was affected by what it has been through. That's my current theory.

If I had friends with PC's I would have stolen them already and fixed this problem. Everybody I know are filthy casuals with laptops and ipads.
Edited by Aymanb - 8/15/16 at 1:40am
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