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It could be for Next-Gen Tegra chips. Given Samsung's lack of experience in manufacturing big dies like GPUs, I wouldn't expect Nvidia to completely rely on Samsung for their next generation gpus.

This is the first thing i thought of, and seems a lot more plausible especially for before the end of the year.
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may be, I haven't read up on vega in a while.
just seems surprising they'll be able to deliver a 2x bigger chip with the same power consumption.
and doesn't bigger silicon mean higher production cost ? like I don't understand how amd is possibly making a 450mm chip that costs less than nvidias 300mm one.

 

That is exactly the problem, you do not have the capacity to see it.

 

RX480 is not AMD's top effort on power consumption, throttling or thermals. It's bandwidth is paltry and does not use AMD's top bus.

 

 

 

Vega is more efficient in every regard. If it is double the size of the 480, then it will start out with double the performance, before you include Vega's efficiencies, etc.. (~20%?)

 

Now you scale that back for thermals & consumption and you end up with a chip that does GTX1080 work, for as little as $450. Or something like a Fury x2 config for $899, that does Vulkan faster than a Titan.

 

AMD is going to undercut Nvidia.

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when is vega suppose to be released again?
    
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AMD can talk all it wants about how Vega is XX% better than previous generations. However you have to remember that previous generations were NOT impressive.

AMD does a bang-up job of including awesome technologies that are utterly unusable (Async shaders) at the time of release. And then they release crap drivers, and also make sure certain features like Crossfire/CrossfireX don't work - at all. Great business model.

Nvidia capitalizes on great marketing, better drivers, and highly optimized architectures to unlock the value of what they have.

Take a look at Pascal, it's just an optimized Maxwell, and their stock just crossed $60!

AMD releases the awesome new RX480 - and immediately gets stuck in that power scandal. WHY? Why would you cut corners like that?!

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AMD can talk all it wants about how Vega is XX% better than previous generations. However you have to remember that previous generations were NOT impressive.

AMD does a bang-up job of including awesome technologies that are utterly unusable (Async shaders) at the time of release. And then they release crap drivers, and also make sure certain features like Crossfire/CrossfireX don't work - at all. Great business model.

Nvidia capitalizes on great marketing, better drivers, and highly optimized architectures to unlock the value of what they have.

Take a look at Pascal, it's just an optimized Maxwell, and their stock just crossed $60!

AMD releases the awesome new RX480 - and immediately gets stuck in that power scandal. WHY? Why would you cut corners like that?!

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What are you talking about? This thread is about Nvidia moving to 14nm, not AMD. Please sedate yourself.
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AMD drivers, particularly for single-card, have massively improved over the past couple of years. That's a ridiculous old joke of an argument that gets brought up time and again by people who haven't owned an AMD card in the past half-decade. Offering superior compute performance and support for the features of new API's is not a negative when we're on the cusp of wider DX12 (and potentially Vulkan) adoption. Two years ago? Yes, it was probably a bit early to be slapping ACE's on cards, but it makes plenty of sense now.

 

Crossfire and SLI, both of which I've used recently, suffer from similar issues in terms of support. SLI is faster on Day One profiles, Crossfire typically offers slightly better scaling. That's the real difference in terms of those technologies. As to the 480, they didn't "cut corners" on anything but the cooler. In fact, if anybody 'cuts corners' it's Nvidia who offers bare-minimum parts on their cards. That's not to say that they don't perform, but take apart a Fiji card and a reference 980 Ti and tell me who's over-engineering. Nvidia's simply got better tech in most regards but that doesn't mean that they aren't cutting corners. In fact, given their profitability, I'd think you'd have to take it as obvious.

 

I picked up a 1070 to kill some time, but if somebody wasn't willing to move up to the 1070's price bracket I'd have no issue whatsoever directing them to an RX 480 or a GTX 1060. Whichever they could get with the right price and a decent cooling solution.

 

OT: Mobile Pascal? Volta? Both? It's interesting to see them move any product away from TSMC.

     
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Well if low manufacturing cost doesn't mean cheap product, you can be sure as hell high manufacturing cost wont translate to cheap product either. I'll take what I can get rolleyes.gif
You have not said anything that would disagree with my sentence wink.gif
post #38 of 65
Dont believe that Nvidia will move to 14nm and abandon 16nm from TSMC.
For low end and SOCs. Absolutely,

For high power GPUs. Doubtful.

The next natural jump over 16nm is 10nm. But thats a loooong way from here
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AMD drivers, particularly for single-card, have massively improved over the past couple of years. That's a ridiculous old joke of an argument that gets brought up time and again by people who haven't owned an AMD card in the past half-decade. Offering superior compute performance and support for the features of new API's is not a negative when we're on the cusp of wider DX12 (and potentially Vulkan) adoption. Two years ago? Yes, it was probably a bit early to be slapping ACE's on cards, but it makes plenty of sense now.

Crossfire and SLI, both of which I've used recently, suffer from similar issues in terms of support. SLI is faster on Day One profiles, Crossfire typically offers slightly better scaling. That's the real difference in terms of those technologies. As to the 480, they didn't "cut corners" on anything but the cooler. In fact, if anybody 'cuts corners' it's Nvidia who offers bare-minimum parts on their cards. That's not to say that they don't perform, but take apart a Fiji card and a reference 980 Ti and tell me who's over-engineering. Nvidia's simply got better tech in most regards but that doesn't mean that they aren't cutting corners. In fact, given their profitability, I'd think you'd have to take it as obvious.

I picked up a 1070 to kill some time, but if somebody wasn't willing to move up to the 1070's price bracket I'd have no issue whatsoever directing them to an RX 480 or a GTX 1060. Whichever they could get with the right price and a decent cooling solution.

OT: Mobile Pascal? Volta? Both? It's interesting to see them move any product away from TSMC.

I disagree. Partially.
When I had the 290Xs in crossfire, they didn't work for jack. I upgraded to the 980 Tis, and they just plain worked.

I faced the following issues in 2015:
* Frozen screens (the sound continues but screen is frozen. Need to hard reset)
* Audio distortion
* Huge frame pacing issues

The Nvidia solution isn't without faults, but its a better solution by FAR. The only issue I've seen so far is that PhysX magically switches to "CPU" sometimes and the FPS will go from 145 to 20 in high PhysX load scenarios.

You make a good point about profitability, but I think that primarily comes from the prices. The green team charges significantly more.

I'm not an Nvidia fanboy, I just like products that work as advertised. Modern AMD products (excluding the brand new 480) still have huge issues with frame pacing, which makes Crossfire utterly useless.
With DirectX 12 and Vulcan, I sure hope these issues get resolved. I'd love to see the red team rise up to the challenge because we, the consumers, are the winners there.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Volta vs Vega. Should be an interesting showdown. I'll be buying one of the two.
Edited by Ziplocbox - 8/12/16 at 1:49pm
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What are you talking about? This thread is about Nvidia moving to 14nm, not AMD. Please sedate yourself.

I was attempting to quote formula m's response about how AMD is going to undercut Nvidia. Sorry about the lack of the quote, I am new to the site, and I haven't used a forum in a long time.
I am rooting for AMD despite everything I say, but I also believe that they have a long way to proving themselves.
Sedate myself - Hmm, great idea. I do plan on having a beer later to end my work week.
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