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IPC will always be a thing, there really are a lot of things that mathematically cannot be multithreaded.

A very simple example:

A = 3
B = A + 5
C = B / 2

It is impossible to calculate B and C in parallel so this problem cannot be multithreaded, no matter how much someone is willing to invest in R&D.

Right but a lot more parallelism can be done. When I see games that can use more, it really just tells me companies are too money hungry. A lot of games are just awfully optimized, because of deadlines. As well as engines have to be rebuilt buuut again time and money.

I know how the CPU processes. How about you run physics on a different thread, audio, or other things.

Take the PS3 for example. It had multiple cores, doing parallel work being controlled by a main thread. With the 8 core here, now, we can do that same thing. =O woah, thats crazy. We don't because of how the processing differs. In-order va out-of order processing. Either way, we have had way too much experience with parallelism for this bogus focus on per thread performance.

Yes I know that's a lot of work to make a game engine like that, any program for example but man up and do it. You think the Thanos group wanted to re-write ogl? It had to be done, more developers in all software need to move ahead too. Stagnation has no excuse.
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I welcome AMD to do anything to make Intel high end CPU's move past 5% IPC a generation and not take the AMD approach and slap a couple cores on it and double its price(sigh 6950x). The odds of this happening are the same as the odds the RX480 was gonna blow the doors off the GTX1080 which fanboys cried from the mountaintops that it was going to happen. Well.............................................................................. yes I single clicked each one of those.
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It's actually their(intels) mid range CPU's that have been at a standstill. The fact that intel has been slapping a couple cores on their high end stuff shows at least some forward momentum, unlike the 4 core i5's that they have been making for the last 5+ years. IMHO AMD doesn't need to compete at the top end to push intel, because intel is actually already moving forward at the top end.
Edited by Piraal - 8/15/16 at 10:58pm
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Yeah, it's the mainstream and enterprise markets that AMD needs to focus on for market-share growth and improved financial viability. It sucks to us enthusiasts but AMD needs to be sustainably profitable with improved research funding and capacity in order to produce world-beater enthusiast parts.

     
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Yeah, it's the mainstream and enterprise markets that AMD needs to focus on for market-share growth and improved financial viability. It sucks to us enthusiasts but AMD needs to be sustainably profitable with improved research funding and capacity in order to produce world-beater enthusiast parts.

I agree. But for now, AMD just needs to provide any series of C/APUs to the market regardless of performance, of course the performance should not be below Excavator. Apart from OCNers and Enthusiasts, majority of users out there are ready to buy new C/APUs and most of them care just about the core frequency, number of cores and cache size, and lucrative price as well. AMD will earn some money and the best part of this scenario is we'll be seeing price drops of Intel CPUs.
This is the minimum going to happen if AMD just launches something new.
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that 2020 performance wall is quickly approaching......
You can only push silicon so much, 3d Stacked cores still wont help the serial processing limits.... it will only allow more densely packed cores on a substrate package.

the only thing that will help Serial / Single Core IPC on a Drastic Scale is to eliminate the frequency barrier, allowing CPU's to Run at 7+ GHz without LN2 and Stupid High Voltages.

First one to figure that out has the 2025 market in the bag.
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I agree. But for now, AMD just needs to provide any series of C/APUs to the market regardless of performance, of course the performance should not be below Excavator. Apart from OCNers and Enthusiasts, majority of users out there are ready to buy new C/APUs and most of them care just about the core frequency, number of cores and cache size, and lucrative price as well. AMD will earn some money and the best part of this scenario is we'll be seeing price drops of Intel CPUs.
This is the minimum going to happen if AMD just launches something new.
The majority will buy whatever has the shiniest sticker, or whatever gives the best buy rep the biggest profit. Most purchasers dont know what an APU is, or what intel or AMD are, they see a low price with lots of useless garbage on it and think its a good deal.

If AMD wants to make money, they need a chip good enough that OEMs will use them in said machines, and that wont happen unless they are actively better then intel parts, as we saw with Llano.
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Looking at the original Performance Leak:

Knowing it's an Eng-Sample, Likely Running on an early AM4 1090 Board or a Modded 990FX Board.

Pretty sure it's under clocked vs what the retail is suppose to be.




But if you wanna go on Performance Per GHz

Turbo Clocks:
i7-4790k (3.6/4.0 Ghz) 65.4/100-6.54/4.0 =.1635
Zen ES-1D (2.8/3.2 GHz) 58.0/100-5.80/3.2 = .18125
i5-4670k (3.4/3.8 GHz) 52.6/100-5.26/3.8= .13842
FX-8350 (4.0/4.2 GHz) 42.0/100-4.20/4.2= .100

Or:
Zen ES-1D (2.8/3.2 GHz) 58.0/100-5.80/3.2 = .18125
i7-4790k (3.6/4.0 Ghz) 65.4/100-6.54/4.0 =.16350 -9.753%
i5-4670k (3.4/3.8 GHz) 52.6/100-5.26/3.8= .13842 -23.63%
FX-8350 (4.0/4.2 GHz) 42.0/100-4.20/4.2= .10000 -44.827

Base Clocks:
i7-4790k (3.6/4.0 Ghz) 65.4/100-6.54/3.6 =.18166
Zen ES-1D (2.8/3.2 GHz) 58.0/100-5.80/2.8 = .20714
i5-4670k (3.4/3.8 GHz) 52.6/100-5.26/3.4= .15470
FX-8350 (4.0/4.2 GHz) 42.0/100-4.20/4.0= .1050

Or:
Zen ES-1D (2.8/3.2 GHz) 58.0/100-5.80/2.8 = .20714
i7-4790k (3.6/4.0 Ghz) 65.4/100-6.54/3.6 =.18166 -12.30%
i5-4670k (3.4/3.8 GHz) 52.6/100-5.26/3.4= .15470 -25.31%
FX-8350 (4.0/4.2 GHz) 42.0/100-4.20/4.0= .1050 -49.30%

Interesting way to look at it. But until we know to what extent the application (Aots) is using the respective cores and threads, what clocks were actually being used, and what price the chip is expected to sell for, we only have a singular datapoint, which we can't use to infer anything about the success of the aforementioned chip.
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that's why I'm wondering where GuRu3d got the data to make the charts that show the Zen Losing by large margins to Intel's chip and even the FX8350s
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