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Here I am with a brand new 1070 and yet, this is the first time in history I feel a total lack of excitement when purchasing a new GPU. Pascal mid--high range are overpriced and Nvidia is gouging there customers since after all, the market supports this behavior. I always remind people to call the new Titan X "1080ti".

So you got the performance of last gen's flagship for about 1/2 the cost, and find that uninspiring. Got it.

If the market supports the prices, then how is Nvidia gouging their customers? Hold a gun to their head? I always get a chuckle from posts that state "Nvidia is forcing its customers..." and stuff like that. Don't buy it, you won't get "gouged". I run Nvidia cards in all my rigs, bought them of my own free will, you can call me an Nvidia customer, but I haven't bought any Pascal cards. I'm I still getting gouged?
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I think force is not the right word to use. It more like limit its customer for nvidia with poor and expensive option.

Yet the expensive option are poor choice where ppl who are on 980 ti cannot look for the direct replacement looking at what nvidia offers. Either they pay the same for a mobile chip that is price like their 980 ti, or they have to pay double for a direct replacement which is the titan x pascal.

P.s 1080 is never a high end in my eyes. Its a mobile chip marketed as flagship card. Period.
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the 1080 is high end. why do you call it a mobile chip? it is an efficient chip and thats a plus. i thought that people wanted energy efficient gpus and now we get them and they are not high end? the 1080 doesnt have any competition other than the titan xp and the titan is today that same thing that its always been. something for a very small group of enthusiast. I think that both the 1070 and 1080 are high end gpus that will handle pretty much anything at 1440p and even 4k with out much of a sacrifice in performance. im sure that there are ALOT of people out there wishing they could afford a 1080 or 1070. 

    
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the 1080 is high end. why do you call it a mobile chip? it is an efficient chip and thats a plus. i thought that people wanted energy efficient gpus and now we get them and they are not high end? the 1080 doesnt have any competition other than the titan xp and the titan is today that same thing that its always been. something for a very small group of enthusiast. I think that both the 1070 and 1080 are high end gpus that will handle pretty much anything at 1440p and even 4k with out much of a sacrifice in performance. im sure that there are ALOT of people out there wishing they could afford a 1080 or 1070. 


The reason why it is clearly a mid-range chip is because of the 314mm^2 die size. Mid-ranged chips are always in this die size range (say 250mm^2 - 400mm^2). High end chips are the ones that are usually past 500mm^2.

It's a mid-range chip being sold at a rip-off high end price. The price is fooling people into thinking that it is a high end chip. There's no reason why it should sell at $700 US - the only reason is because Nvidia is a monopoly and trying to milk us. Historically mid-ranged chips have sold for around $250-$350 USD.

The Titan X Pascal is now the high end chip. It is selling for perhaps double of what it should be at $1200 USD.

I'll note as well that Nvidia just released the GTX 1080M, and it is not that much changed from the desktop version:
http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-1000m/geforce-gtx-1080m

This is a mobile chip based on its TDP.

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So best case scenario they make enough money in 5 years then redirect it to development of products so an extra 3 years after that we'll start getting good GPUs? biggrin.gif

At this point, they don't have a choice. AMD is short on funds. It's a death spiral situation that they have to get out of. Without enough funds, there is not enough money for R&D, which in turn means that AMD is at risk for falling further behind in both the CPU and GPU fronts. Actually, if you consider the disparity in research spending, it's quite amazing that AMD has kept up as well as it has so far.

We'd better hope they succeed - unless you want to see the $2000 Titan someday. By the way, that is not intended to be hyperbole at all. I think that Nvidia will do whatever the market will bear. The problem is that absent of competition, they will do whatever they want with limited consequences. They are more, like Intel, trying to compete with their older products, to get people to upgrade, but that is not nearly as competitive as having to deal with a strong AMD.

The best situation is a 50-50 market share between AMD-Nvidia and AMD-Intel, with both sides vying aggressively for user money. Profit share should also be comparable in the long run, so that they are forced to compete. We are far away from that and need AMD to be return.
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the 1080 is high end. why do you call it a mobile chip?

A lot of people here are stuck in 2009.
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A lot of people here are stuck in 2009.
Just the mis-guided and brain-washed.
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Just the mis-guided and brain-washed.

Careful a certain gleeful kitty here does not like it when you call people out as "brainwashed".

People have short attention spans. Case in point, some here still insist that the compromised chip of the Titan XP is just for a very small group of enthusiast. They forget that a full chip (580 GTX) sold for a fraction of the cost and a large group of enthusiast could afford it easily. Inflation does not account for the extreme price hike or the further proliferation of the chip into many cards to exalt the full chip to a new and insane $1500+ (as the Titan XP at $1200 is now a cut down chip).

Again the lost art of reason escapes many and more people just buy what is being spewed by the corporate sponsored media and add campaigns. These people will go so far as to defend these corporations to their detriment and to the detriment of the consumer at large.

Anyone that defends corporate greed and justifies the fleecing of the consumer has to be admonished.

The new Titan X is a "Monster" alright but for all the wrong reasons.
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Unless you 4K game or a benchmark enthusiast this is overkill
1080 is more than enough for lower resolutions and maybe 4K
Tomb Raider, Fallout 4,and other games played fine at 4K maxed for me on 980TI
At that price it still doesn't do 60fps in all 4K games
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I think force is not the right word to use. It more like limit its customer for nvidia with poor and expensive option.

Yet the expensive option are poor choice where ppl who are on 980 ti cannot look for the direct replacement looking at what nvidia offers. Either they pay the same for a mobile chip that is price like their 980 ti, or they have to pay double for a direct replacement which is the titan x pascal.

P.s 1080 is never a high end in my eyes. Its a mobile chip marketed as flagship card. Period.

It's highend vs the competition's offerings. rolleyes.gif
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When can we expect to see the Volta chips on the shelves ?
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