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Banks are a little different as they tend to have a lot of legacy software to worry about.

Generally it's the same with hospitals.

We just moved to 8.1 a couple months ago. 20k employees across Canada
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I am most angered by the removal of features from Windows 10 Pro in the Anniversary update. We did a pilot and full evaluation of Windows 10 Pro for many months before rolling it out everywhere. We found that all of the things in Windows 10 that we didn't like could be managed with Group Policy.

Well, the Anniversary Update removes the critically important ability to manage these things from Windows 10 Pro. Literal bait-and-switch tactics.

Right now we don't really have a plan to handle this other than blocking the anniversary update with WSUS until we figure something out.
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I am most angered by the removal of features from Windows 10 Pro in the Anniversary update. We did a pilot and full evaluation of Windows 10 Pro for many months before rolling it out everywhere. We found that all of the things in Windows 10 that we didn't like could be managed with Group Policy.

Well, the Anniversary Update removes the critically important ability to manage these things from Windows 10 Pro. Literal bait-and-switch tactics.

Right now we don't really have a plan to handle this other than blocking the anniversary update with WSUS until we figure something out.

I'm hoping that the backlash is severe enough that Microsoft stops the shenanigans.
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My company is now supporting employees using Windows 10. We skipped directly from Windows 7 to 10. You can't upgrade existing laptops, but new ones will come with 10 installed. I hope our IT team is ready for the deluge of tickets they will receive tongue.gif

We are one of the largest technology industry companies in the world (~150,000 employees), so I expect the vast majority of us to be on Windows 10 within 3 years.
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If I "upgraded" my business to Windows 10 I'd be out many thousands of dollars due to non-compatibility of the necessary programs I use. Good thing I made sure to keep Windows 10 from installing before my employees accidentally did.
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Uhhh, this is news how? Businesses are ALWAYS reluctant to move to a new OS. Why fix what isn't broken? When I was working at a major WISP & ISP's Datacenter they were just migrating to Windows 7 nationwide... in 2012-2013...from XP. Even when I left later on in 2013 they were still tons of machines still on XP. I'm talking at least 1,000 pc's left.

Windows 10 just turned a year old.

Precisely my experience working for Dell/HP and Bell Canada. Each stayed on Windows XP for far too long but for reasons you mentioned.

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post #57 of 60
Sorry, I'm gonna side with MS on this.


Again, sorry guys.


They are pushing for change and for those who thought that entire companies should stay on XP, or Win7 are living in the past.

If people are out here learning and going to college and what not have to rely on working at dated companies and tech... Wow, really?

Guys it's time to evolve, things change. Adapt.


This will only force things to get better down the road.
    
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Sorry, I'm gonna side with MS on this.


Again, sorry guys.


They are pushing for change and for those who thought that entire companies should stay on XP, or Win7 are living in the past.

If people are out here learning and going to college and what not have to rely on working at dated companies and tech... Wow, really?

Guys it's time to evolve, things change. Adapt.


This will only force things to get better down the road.

This isn't the PC in your basement we're talking about. Businesses need things to work now, they need them to be stable and if what they have works well, wasting time, money and resources to use "whatever is new, just because things change hurr durr" makes zero sense in any terms.

If things in my circumstances changed where I would need to use Windows 10, I'd install it immediately. But I don't and it would not work with a few necessary programs I use which haven't been updated for 10.
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Sorry, I'm gonna side with MS on this.


Again, sorry guys.


They are pushing for change and for those who thought that entire companies should stay on XP, or Win7 are living in the past.

If people are out here learning and going to college and what not have to rely on working at dated companies and tech... Wow, really?

Guys it's time to evolve, things change. Adapt.


This will only force things to get better down the road.

While I agree with the need to stay up to date on software (and I'm actually more sympathetic to that viewpoint than you might think), I do not accept the premise that Microsoft determines what is better and what is not for my business.

Microsoft creates and releases revisions to their desktop operating system, Windows. Typically, one would assume that the newer revisions are better than the old ones. If they aren't, then you shouldn't upgrade. It's that simple.

"Better" can take a variety of meanings. In my view, removing the ability to manage certain features of Windows 10 Pro is an unacceptable regression and one that ticks me off to no end. It's one thing to be up front about what I'd be losing by upgrading. it's quite another to wait until we can't move back and then pull out functionality.
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We've been trialling it in a virtual desktop environment at work and I overheard one of the IT guys describing some interesting problems they are trying to overcome. The VD environment is based on a standard image of Win 10 Pro that is refreshed whenever the VM is rebooted. This causes problems when Windows 10 wants to auto update. It will install updates, reboot the VM, then go through the process again in an endless loop because the updates are wiped each time. Since you can defer updates by only four months this means that there is an additional maintenance burden to keep the standard image up to date (important for security patches, but just overhead for feature patches) to prevent this happening.
    
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