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Sorry, I had to make a new post for this.

Which is the best 1070 AiB around? As always, I'm targeting for the best overclocker but has also nice thermals and noise profile as I live in a tropical country.

My two 670's are using Arctic Cooling's Hybrid Cooler (AIO) and Xtreme III but I'm not sure if I'd be able to transfer one (specifically the AIO) to the single 1070 that I'll be buying. Any ideas?

Thanks.
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Hey man, my zotac extreme amp is awesome. Fans are off almost all the time and you can hit 2000mhz on a core no problem(without added voltage or power). i don'T know if it's the best but i am really satisfied with this beast gpu.
post #3 of 34
IMO they're all basically the same.
Basically choose the one in the price rage you like with the best colors.
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ASUS Strix
MSI Gaming X
Zotac AMP

etc.....

They are all the same, the only difference is aesthetics, lighting and minor things for example:

The Asus Strix cards add Two additional PWM fan headers to control case fans directed at the GPU.

If you plan to water cool, just buy the cheapest one, heck even air cooled.

A warning: Pascal cards have a major DPC latency issue that has yet to be resolved by Nvidia as evidenced by the owners here and the ones screaming at the Nvidia forums.
Edited by Nightingale - 8/16/16 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Nightingale View Post

ASUS Strix
MSI Gaming X
Zotac AMP

etc.....

They are all the same, the only difference is aesthetics, lighting and minor things for example:

The Asus Strix cards add Two additional PWM fan headers to control case fans directed at the GPU.

If you plan to water cool, just buy the cheapest one, heck even air cooled.

A warning: Pascal cards have a major DPC latency issue that has yet to be resolved by Nvidia as evidenced by the owners here and the ones screaming at the Nvidia forums.

They are not all the same. ASUS strix is voltage locked and so are many other cards. The PCBs are different on them all as well. If you are looking for heavy overclocks Zotac make good boards, from memory MSI is not as good. EVGA FTW is a great custom PCB but the SC versions wont overclock as far.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightingale View Post

ASUS Strix
MSI Gaming X
Zotac AMP

etc.....

They are all the same, the only difference is aesthetics, lighting and minor things for example:

The Asus Strix cards add Two additional PWM fan headers to control case fans directed at the GPU.

If you plan to water cool, just buy the cheapest one, heck even air cooled.

A warning: Pascal cards have a major DPC latency issue that has yet to be resolved by Nvidia as evidenced by the owners here and the ones screaming at the Nvidia forums.

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Originally Posted by mastablades View Post

They are not all the same. ASUS strix is voltage locked and so are many other cards. The PCBs are different on them all as well. If you are looking for heavy overclocks Zotac make good boards, from memory MSI is not as good. EVGA FTW is a great custom PCB but the SC versions wont overclock as far.

Yeah, I'm sure there are minor difference especially in temps. I'm trying to keep the GPU's air-cooled as I still don't have time to install a custom water block. I'm usually using AIO's only.

So Zotac's are not voltage-locked? And since the Zotac AMP has a gigantic heatsink, is it the coolest among the bunch?

What negative effects does that major DPC latency issue present?
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Yeah, I'm sure there are minor difference especially in temps. I'm trying to keep the GPU's air-cooled as I still don't have time to install a custom water block. I'm usually using AIO's only.

So Zotac's are not voltage-locked? And since the Zotac AMP has a gigantic heatsink, is it the coolest among the bunch?

What negative effects does that major DPC latency issue present?

Yeh zotacs are not voltage locked and their AMP series boards are well overengineered so you should be able to hit some sweet overclocks. The only thing about the zotac cards is that some of them are triple slot. so make sure to check that if it may be an issue for you. Cant help you with the latency issues though, i know nothing about that sorry
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I see we come from the same country. I suggest Zotac for good after sales and the 5 year warranty. Plus they allow you to change out the cooler if you want to. I already installed a g10 + x41 combo on mine, max temps are 41-44C. I have the AMP Extreme version, so far I don't have any problems with it.
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They are not all the same. ASUS strix is voltage locked and so are many other cards. The PCBs are different on them all as well. If you are looking for heavy overclock Zotac make good boards, from memory MSI is not as good. EVGA FTW is a great custom PCB but the SC versions wont overclock as far.

All the pascals, including custom AIB's are Voltage Capped/Limited even the AMP. Go ahead right now and show me a Zotac 1080 for example that can go above the 1.25v cap. Also if you look at the overclock people achieve they are all hovering around 2000-2200 regardless of brand. All the custom AIB brands I listed are made of high quality components and are over engineered so there is really nothing special about the ZOTAC AMP vs STRIX, and GAMING X. The only deciding factor at this point would be, price, aesthetics, size and minor little features.

The cards with custom coolers all perform within the same margin. What's going to determine max stable over clock on pascal is the result of both silicon lottery and temperatures. Adding more voltage will not yield higher stable clocks on 16nm unless you go L2N and even then the speed increase in minimal. The Chip itself is hard limited take a look:

https://xdevs.com/guide/pascal_oc/#voltsc

"Cards cooled by liquid nitrogen during this guide testwork were able to run 1.35-1.4V, reaching speeds over 2500 MHz."

I don't know where you get the Idea that the Zotac is a better overclocker than the other cards listed, it's simply not true. What advantage does it have over the others, since it's Voltage capped like the rest.
Edited by Nightingale - 8/16/16 at 11:37pm
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Yeh zotacs are not voltage locked and their AMP series boards are well overengineered so you should be able to hit some sweet overclocks. The only thing about the zotac cards is that some of them are triple slot. so make sure to check that if it may be an issue for you. Cant help you with the latency issues though, i know nothing about that sorry

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I see we come from the same country. I suggest Zotac for good after sales and the 5 year warranty. Plus they allow you to change out the cooler if you want to. I already installed a g10 + x41 combo on mine, max temps are 41-44C. I have the AMP Extreme version, so far I don't have any problems with it.

It's nice to have a local countryman around here as conversing with one is very seldom in this forum. Did you buy the Zotac AMP locally? How were you able to say that they have good after sales?

I have no problems with triple slot cards although that hinders me from going SLI in the future (although I would really try to avoid going this route as I'm in SLI now).

Reaching max temps of 41-44C in the Philippines is really amazing! Did you buy that NZXT combo locally too? What did you use for the VRM and memory chips?
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Originally Posted by Nightingale View Post

All the pascals, including custom AIB's are Voltage Capped/Limited even the AMP. Go ahead right now and show me a Zotac 1080 for example that can go above the 1.25v cap. Also if you look at the overclock people achieve they are all hovering around 2000-2200 regardless of brand. All the custom AIB brands I listed are made of high quality components and are over engineered so there is really nothing special about the ZOTAC AMP vs STRIX, and GAMING X. The only deciding factor at this point would be, price, aesthetics, size and minor little features.

The cards with custom coolers all perform within the same margin. What's going to determine max stable over clock on pascal is the result of both silicon lottery and temperatures. Adding more voltage will not yield higher stable clocks on 16nm unless you go L2N and even then the speed increase in minimal. The Chip itself is hard limited take a look:

https://xdevs.com/guide/pascal_oc/#voltsc

"Cards cooled by liquid nitrogen during this guide testwork were able to run 1.35-1.4V, reaching speeds over 2500 MHz."

I don't know where you get the Idea that the Zotac is a better overclocker than the other cards listed, it's simply not true. What advantage does it have over the others, since it's Voltage capped like the rest.

Thanks for the feedback. How about the Gigabyte 1070? Are they not in the game now as their card is only using one 8-pin connector compared to the rest?

Is there still a temperature threshold for the Pascal cards that when reached throttles the card's clocks just like Kepler?

Can you explain more about the DPC latency issue? Is this something that can be fixed through a BIOS upgrade by the manufacturers or should I wait for newer card revisions before I buy?
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