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Don't you find 1920x1080 a little too small for 2016? I have 1920x1200px and I always find 1080px way too small for reading and games too, and that's a 2014 or older monitor.
TN at 144Hz is nice for gaming but since you like colors, have you seen an IPS?

I can't help it but a minimum for a 2016 monitor for me would be 2560x1440px IPS or VA even at 24" only. Especially for the price xb241h sells for. Those predators are crazy expensive frown.gif

I'm all with the IPS (VA without black crush please!) issue, we need a markatable IPS/VA 144hz monitor ASAP IMO.

I do disagree on the whole 1080p/2k/4k, while I'm a big fan of 16:10 AR I don't really care about the resolution, apart from the fact not even a GTX Nvidia 1080 can run 1440p AAA games at 144hz (if you are a gamer), I work with 1080p at work and have a u2515h 1440p 25" at home, the true difference I've noticed (maybe very subjective) is the increased PPI. More than that I'm a big fan of multi-display setups (even for work) so I'd be okey with 4/8 1080p true frameless as opposed to some 4/5/k res. Maybe it is just me.
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What do you do professionally if you don't mind me asking?


btw the 25" version of s2716dg is 165hz. 25" is a bit too small for me, but I do get the point of this monitor.

1. 27" TN supposedly has bigger color shift
2. at 25" 1440p you might wanna give up AA in some games, thus it makes it possible to use that additional 21fps/21Hz

I don't mind, I work as a low level IT at two firms in Nottingham UK, sollitors (lawyers) and architects, I do mostly desk help, presentations, VR presentation and a little network administration.

I'm a big fan of high ref rates but I wonder if anyone can see a difference between 140/165/180hz. God I hope I don't sound like those that used to say "Can't see beyond 28fps". I honestly just love high PPI, I've seen 27" 1080p and to me, again totally personal, they look weird as hell. I'm switching soon to a 144hz as main for gaming but I'm very happy with my u2515h for movies/work, so if I can I'll go with a small monitor 144hz as I want to stay at 1080p for games. My only complaint about the U2515H and so many other multimedia displays is that static contrast still are around 1000:1 when you can get up to 3000:1 with a VA, too bad for those black crushes.
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That's my dream life, used to do that when I was a hardcore gamer : )

Jokes aside please do come back to us if you decide to switch to the S2716DG and give us some feedback, Personally I m a bit annoyed that we still can't get a cheap IPS 144hz, though I understand that the profit margins are already small for this market. And that's where consumer should step in imo, and instead of asking for bigger low quality monitors, they should ask for improved panels, 144hz+, higher static contrast and such.

 

Sometimes this life is nice and sometimes it's quite hard. There's an ebb and flow that's always happening.

 

You can count on me to update this thread if I decide to switch to the S2716DG. I tried some of my most demanding games though with DSR to get 2560x1440 and my computer tanked badly. So, 1080p is my limit, so if I get the S2716DG, I won't be playing my games in 1440p. It would be more of a future-proofing purchase. heh

 

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Don't you find 1920x1080 a little too small for 2016?

 

Maybe for 2016, but for me.

 

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I have 1920x1200px and I always find 1080px way too small for reading and games too, and that's a 2014 or older monitor.

 

Text size and scaling looks identical to me on this monitor to 1680x1050 on my 22" Samsung 2253BW. It's plenty big enough for me.

 

I don't get a difference in scaling with games, just image fidelity. Using DSR, I changed to 2560x1440 just to see how my rig can handle 1440p and it tanked, but scaling in my games was identical.

 

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TN at 144Hz is nice for gaming but since you like colors, have you seen an IPS?

 

Not in person, but I'd rather not spend a fortune just to have a super high refresh rate and G-SYNC with great colors and image quality.

 

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I can't help it but a minimum for a 2016 monitor for me would be 2560x1440px IPS or VA even at 24" only. Especially for the price xb241h sells for. Those predators are crazy expensive frown.gif

 

Now that I own it, I think a large portion of the price went into the stand and probably the speakers (which I won't be testing lol). I would bet the stand alone is worth $100 or more. The power supply is also built into the monitor which I assume raises the cost a bit (extra manufacturing... I don't know).

 

Anyway, my sig rig's minimum for gaming is 1080p. I'm not made of money, but right now I can either get a new monitor and wait like a year until I have enough money to spend several hundred dollars all at once again, or I can get a new video card. I'd rather have a new monitor because I don't know how much time I have left with my 8½-year old 2253BW. It's not showing its age, but I've also been told that they can also die extremely suddenly without much warning.

 

Now that I've experienced 144Hz and G-SYNC, I don't want anything else. I also can't afford much more than $400-600. To me, that's a very large amount of money. So while I know I'd love an IPS or VA panel, it seems I can't find a good one that I can afford that has a high refresh rate and G-SYNC. It's not that I'm looking for or expecting 144 FPS or more; that's for the desktop. G-SYNC is simply improving my gaming experiences in ways I didn't expect and I'm loving it.

 

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I'm glad you like your monitor, the 144Hz and clear reading must be very nice. I have had a TN 15.6" before, worked on many bigger TN monitors and the color shift and so on of TN is annoying once one sees that IPS and VA don't have any and the colors are miles better. It actually took a while for me to adjust to the crazy vividness of IPS compared to my older TN.

 

I don't know if I can say text is clearer. It seems the same to me, I think. Maybe it's clearer and I don't realize it. 144Hz just makes the movement of certain things at the desktop butter-smooth. I have my mouse USB polling rate at 1000Hz and I used to think it was butter-smooth on my 2253BW which is an old 60Hz LCD panel. However, 144Hz makes the movement of the mouse with the 2253BW feel like I'm rubbing it on sandpaper because now it's TRULY butter-smooth. Even when I overclocked the monitor to 160Hz (I'm avoiding the reduced contrast of 170Hz and 180Hz), I felt even more connected to my mouse. It's super-responsive, very live-feeling and again, butter-smooth! So, grab a window and move it, and it's butter-smooth. Resize a window, and it's butter-smooth. I love it. Even certain little program animations are much smoother.

 

I'm not really a gamer per se, but I am trying to make sure that all of my experiences are as good as they can be with just one monitor.

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Don't you find 1920x1080 a little too small for 2016? I have 1920x1200px and I always find 1080px way too small for reading and games too, and that's a 2014 or older monitor.
TN at 144Hz is nice for gaming but since you like colors, have you seen an IPS?

I can't help it but a minimum for a 2016 monitor for me would be 2560x1440px IPS or VA even at 24" only. Especially for the price xb241h sells for. Those predators are crazy expensive frown.gif

I'm glad you like your monitor, the 144Hz and clear reading must be very nice. I have had a TN 15.6" before, worked on many bigger TN monitors and the color shift and so on of TN is annoying once one sees that IPS and VA don't have any and the colors are miles better. It actually took a while for me to adjust to the crazy vividness of IPS compared to my older TN.

Not trying to thread hijack but I'm doing just fine with a 1920x1080 monitor in 2016. Benq XL2720Z. Perfect overdrive when blur reduction is disabled, and decent when it's enabled and I can set strobing from most custom refresh rates from 60hz to 144hz. Since no monitor since has this flexibility (except CRT's), I haven't upgraded. I originally intended to buy the XL2730Z, but not being able to strobe lower than 120hz was a deal breaker for me. And the FS2735 (which afaik can't strobe lower than 100hz or 90hz) is $1300 ....
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I'm all with the IPS (VA without black crush please!) issue, we need a markatable IPS/VA 144hz monitor ASAP IMO.

I do disagree on the whole 1080p/2k/4k, while I'm a big fan of 16:10 AR I don't really care about the resolution, apart from the fact not even a GTX Nvidia 1080 can run 1440p AAA games at 144hz (if you are a gamer), I work with 1080p at work and have a u2515h 1440p 25" at home, the true difference I've noticed (maybe very subjective) is the increased PPI. More than that I'm a big fan of multi-display setups (even for work) so I'd be okey with 4/8 1080p true frameless as opposed to some 4/5/k res. Maybe it is just me.
I don't mind, I work as a low level IT at two firms in Nottingham UK, sollitors (lawyers) and architects, I do mostly desk help, presentations, VR presentation and a little network administration.

I'm a big fan of high ref rates but I wonder if anyone can see a difference between 140/165/180hz. God I hope I don't sound like those that used to say "Can't see beyond 28fps". I honestly just love high PPI, I've seen 27" 1080p and to me, again totally personal, they look weird as hell. I'm switching soon to a 144hz as main for gaming but I'm very happy with my u2515h for movies/work, so if I can I'll go with a small monitor 144hz as I want to stay at 1080p for games. My only complaint about the U2515H and so many other multimedia displays is that static contrast still are around 1000:1 when you can get up to 3000:1 with a VA, too bad for those black crushes.

 

If your framerates are 140, 165 and 180 then you'll feel the difference. I saw lots of review videos of monitors with the same panel as the XB241H (including the XB241H itself) and I remember one guy demonstrated his reaction to how it felt to play at 180Hz/180 FPS vs. 144. He said the game felt smoother and more responsive but of course the color was a bit more washed out and the contrast was reduced and he saw some strange interlacing artifacts but they were very subtle.

 

Personally, I'm just enjoying the high refresh rate at my desktop (160Hz right now) and G-SYNC for my games. I can tell for some games, I desperately need it at 1080p - such as Crysis 1 and 3. At 1680 x 1050, I was getting a constant 60 FPS with all eye-candy completely maxed out and my AA set super high (well, only at FXAA in Crysis 3, but still). At 1080p, I had to make some compromises, and I hate making compromises with my in-game graphics settings.

 

I don't have games yet that are any more demanding than Crysis 1 and 3. The rest of my games probably make my system yawn.

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I'm all with the IPS (VA without black crush please!) issue, we need a markatable IPS/VA 144hz monitor ASAP IMO.

I do disagree on the whole 1080p/2k/4k, while I'm a big fan of 16:10 AR I don't really care about the resolution, apart from the fact not even a GTX Nvidia 1080 can run 1440p AAA games at 144hz (if you are a gamer), I work with 1080p at work and have a u2515h 1440p 25" at home, the true difference I've noticed (maybe very subjective) is the increased PPI. More than that I'm a big fan of multi-display setups (even for work) so I'd be okey with 4/8 1080p true frameless as opposed to some 4/5/k res. Maybe it is just me.
I don't mind, I work as a low level IT at two firms in Nottingham UK, sollitors (lawyers) and architects, I do mostly desk help, presentations, VR presentation and a little network administration.

I'm a big fan of high ref rates but I wonder if anyone can see a difference between 140/165/180hz. God I hope I don't sound like those that used to say "Can't see beyond 28fps". I honestly just love high PPI, I've seen 27" 1080p and to me, again totally personal, they look weird as hell. I'm switching soon to a 144hz as main for gaming but I'm very happy with my u2515h for movies/work, so if I can I'll go with a small monitor 144hz as I want to stay at 1080p for games. My only complaint about the U2515H and so many other multimedia displays is that static contrast still are around 1000:1 when you can get up to 3000:1 with a VA, too bad for those black crushes.
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Sometimes this life is nice and sometimes it's quite hard. There's an ebb and flow that's always happening.

You can count on me to update this thread if I decide to switch to the S2716DG. I tried some of my most demanding games though with DSR to get 2560x1440 and my computer tanked badly. So, 1080p is my limit, so if I get the S2716DG, I won't be playing my games in 1440p. It would be more of a future-proofing purchase. heh


Maybe for 2016, but for me.


Text size and scaling looks identical to me on this monitor to 1680x1050 on my 22" Samsung 2253BW. It's plenty big enough for me.

I don't get a difference in scaling with games, just image fidelity. Using DSR, I changed to 2560x1440 just to see how my rig can handle 1440p and it tanked, but scaling in my games was identical.


Not in person, but I'd rather not spend a fortune just to have a super high refresh rate and G-SYNC with great colors and image quality.


Now that I own it, I think a large portion of the price went into the stand and probably the speakers (which I won't be testing lol). I would bet the stand alone is worth $100 or more. The power supply is also built into the monitor which I assume raises the cost a bit (extra manufacturing... I don't know).

Anyway, my sig rig's minimum for gaming is 1080p. I'm not made of money, but right now I can either get a new monitor and wait like a year until I have enough money to spend several hundred dollars all at once again, or I can get a new video card. I'd rather have a new monitor because I don't know how much time I have left with my 8½-year old 2253BW. It's not showing its age, but I've also been told that they can also die extremely suddenly without much warning.
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Now that I've experienced 144Hz and G-SYNC, I don't want anything else. I also can't afford much more than $400-600. To me, that's a very large amount of money. So while I know I'd love an IPS or VA panel, it seems I can't find a good one that I can afford that has a high refresh rate and G-SYNC. It's not that I'm looking for or expecting 144 FPS or more; that's for the desktop. G-SYNC is simply improving my gaming experiences in ways I didn't expect and I'm loving it.


I don't know if I can say text is clearer. It seems the same to me, I think. Maybe it's clearer and I don't realize it. 144Hz just makes the movement of certain things at the desktop butter-smooth. I have my mouse USB polling rate at 1000Hz and I used to think it was butter-smooth on my 2253BW which is an old 60Hz LCD panel. However, 144Hz makes the movement of the mouse with the 2253BW feel like I'm rubbing it on sandpaper because now it's TRULY butter-smooth. Even when I overclocked the monitor to 160Hz (I'm avoiding the reduced contrast of 170Hz and 180Hz), I felt even more connected to my mouse. It's super-responsive, very live-feeling and again, butter-smooth! So, grab a window and move it, and it's butter-smooth. Resize a window, and it's butter-smooth. I love it. Even certain little program animations are much smoother.

I'm not really a gamer per se, but I am trying to make sure that all of my experiences are as good as they can be with just one monitor.
Yeah I do like me high PPI, 1920px on 24" I can see individual pixels so that is too low PPI for me. I've waited almost a decade for manufacturers to come up with a decent monitor since the CRT era but finally had to pull the trigger 2 years ago when they still couldn't be bothered to offer higher than 60Hz frown.gif
So I got a decently priced 24" slow IPS as there were no fast IPS yet at all. Even today the IPS can IMHO barely do 120Hz right without blur.

I would definitely like 120Hz+ refresh even without adaptive sync/Gsync, the pricing is still awful for any decent monitor though.
I doubt there will be any decent nonTN panel capable of 144Hz+ anytime soon, the panels just can't refresh fast enough and will blur.

It's always such a tough choice buying a new monitor.
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Yeah I do like me high PPI, 1920px on 24" I can see individual pixels so that is too low PPI for me. I've waited almost a decade for manufacturers to come up with a decent monitor since the CRT era but finally had to pull the trigger 2 years ago when they still couldn't be bothered to offer higher than 60Hz frown.gif
So I got a decently priced 24" slow IPS as there were no fast IPS yet at all. Even today the IPS can IMHO barely do 120Hz right without blur.

I would definitely like 120Hz+ refresh even without adaptive sync/Gsync, the pricing is still awful for any decent monitor though.
I doubt there will be any decent nonTN panel capable of 144Hz+ anytime soon, the panels just can't refresh fast enough and will blur.

It's always such a tough choice buying a new monitor.

 

I wish my vision were so good that I could see individual pixels at 1920x1080 on this 24" panel. That's just impressive right there. Sure, I could probably see them if I leaned in super close, but I like to stay relaxed which means my eyes are at about 2.5 to 3 feet away from my monitor.

 

Anyway, I guess you'd have to consider it an investment to justify the cost. Even $499.99 for the SD2716DG is beginning to seem like a good deal to me even though I'm on a very limited income. I still worry about what games will look like in 1080p though. heh At 1440p, my rig just tanks like a turtle carrying a huge weight on its back. At 1080p, it's fine.

 

Of course, if I could get 60+ FPS at 1440p with most or all eye-candy on, then I'd love it because I know I'd have G-SYNC backing me up. In the new 6DoF game being developed called Overload, I'm currently getting framerates in the 70s, 80s and sometimes 90s at 1080p. Thanks to G-SYNC, this is butter-smooth even with my refresh rate overclocked to 160Hz due to the nearly constant VSYNC magic of G-SYNC. It's amazing. It's always clear and butter-smooth. I've never felt so connected to that game before. It's like I'm really there. I hate to sound corny, but I feel like a true predator in that game now because now it's even easier to play.

 

One problem I'm having though with this decision to replace the XB241H is the cost of return shipping. It's going to be about $40, and so I really hope I only have to do that once.

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I don't know if the Dell s2716dg is a good buy. 27" IPS 60Hz used to sell for the same price 2 years ago. Now you pay the same for 27" TN 144Hz? Just doesn't seem right. Probably caused by the expensive Gsync board in it from nGreedia.
I would stay with the lower resolution panel if you like it. 1440p is hard to drive without a 1070/Fiji.
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I don't know if the Dell s2716dg is a good buy. 27" IPS 60Hz used to sell for the same price 2 years ago. Now you pay the same for 27" TN 144Hz? Just doesn't seem right. Probably caused by the expensive Gsync board in it from nGreedia.
I would stay with the lower resolution panel if you like it. 1440p is hard to drive without a 1070/Fiji.

 

You have to experience 144Hz and G-SYNC to justify the cost. ;) It's pretty damn impressive. There's no way in hell I will ever go back to a lower refresh rate and without G-SYNC.

 

Regarding the resolution: yeah, but that's why I have been saying in nearly every post here that if I bought the S2716DG (or the S2417DG if the price goes down to a reasonable amount), then I would play my games at 1080p - provided I could have assurance they wouldn't look fuzzy or blurry in a distracting sort of way. Otherwise, I don't know. I want to replace this with the ASUS PG248Q even though it uses the same panel because I'm reading from actual owners and I saw some expert review video that the panel doesn't seem to have the same problems that mine does. Malinkadink said it could be because the XB241H has the built-in power supply which creates heat whereas the PG248Q has the power brick. The AOC G2460PG has a power brick too, but I'm not so sure I could live with that OSD menu. lol

 

The problem with the ASUS PG248Q right now though is, I don't know when it'll ship to like Amazon.com and Newegg and other U.S. stores. It's at Best Buy for $449.99 shipped, but they would charge me over $35 in tax and it's already going to cost me about $40 to send the XB241H back. The S2716DG is supposed to be far superior to this panel and is $499.99 shipped - and it's bigger. 1440p at the desktop, holy crap. lol :)


Edited by TwoCables - 8/19/16 at 10:31am
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I don't know if the Dell s2716dg is a good buy. 27" IPS 60Hz used to sell for the same price 2 years ago. Now you pay the same for 27" TN 144Hz? Just doesn't seem right. Probably caused by the expensive Gsync board in it from nGreedia.
I would stay with the lower resolution panel if you like it. 1440p is hard to drive without a 1070/Fiji.
Dude moving from 60Hz to 144Hz is like stepping from a Fiat to Maseratti as far as gaming goes. Plus you've got g-sync so no tearing or v-sync lag/stutter regardless of your fps, never worry about tweaking settings not to drop below XX fps again. And if that ain't enough ULMB is totally boss for fast paced games.
You're making it look like an IPS panel is the only way one can even see colors. Even a so called "premium 8-bit TN" will never reproduce colors so realistically, that is unquestionable. But the colors on my S2716DG are pretty awesome and all it requiires is some nvidia control panel/in game tweaking that you can get done in 15 seconds.


I always crack up when ppl say they're totally put off by TN panel, and then they pay the same cash for a 60Hz one with half of the panel affected by backlight bleed and glow
Edited by Klocek001 - 8/19/16 at 11:01am
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I'm not sure I want to pay the extra $50-100 for Gsync board when there are VESA adaptive sync and FreeSync that don't need any special proprietary hardware. Of course that choice relies on what GPU you have or want. ULMB is nice for sure and built into the Gsync board at 120Hz but not higher I think.
TN is fine for gaming and browsing web etc. Just not everyone does only that. Can't really fix angles or missing range with saturation tweaks.

Yeah high refresh with high fps and adaptive sync is really nice.
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