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Honestly, he did mention that changing the screen from fullscreen to windowed fullscreen was another variable that he did not test separately. Not sure if its a combination of two or just alt-tab
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Pretty much OCN nowadays, from my perspective as a more active user .


1. NVIDIA rumour, pages of replies.
2. NVIDIA product, pages of replies, benchmarks, numbers, e-leet, e-peen, fanboyism.
3. AMD rumour, pages of replies.
4. AMD article about launching of a product. Pages of replies.
5. AMD article about launching of a product that will launch in 2017.
6. AMD article about launched product. Fanboys disappointed because the hype was over 9000 and some even created their own fantasy novels about the product.
7. NVIDIA launches a product, best quarter ever, AMD fanboys rain on the parade, we got Async Shaders, wait for big Vega.
8. NVIDIA article about 1080 being their most sold car ever.
9. AMD article about the venue of launching a product. 30 pages of speculation, which was already speculated in all of the other AMD article where pretty much nothing was released, excluding the 480 card.



I vote we rename the site to overclock.hype because I have never seen the board become so clingy to speculation and articles that have no tangible proof nor numbers for real comparisons.

How long have you been around? If you were into tech during the 90s then you pretty much know that this is how tech enthusiasts have and will always behave themselves. Speculation comes from folks who are so interested in the technology that they cling to every new little bit of information about upcoming products. They use this information to speculate because they enjoy discussing new technology.

Then you come in and try and rain on their parade because ????

What do you have against people who are happy speculating about hardware? What effect does it have on your life?
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Maybe dreams being shattered of your $1200 card retaining its value when new tech from competitor comes out. Also, just speculating on my part
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Here in Canada, we use AMD cards for heating our igloos in the winter. Can't use Ferni cards cause they were murdered during a driver update.
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In the Enthusiast community it might work once in a while (but rarely) In the mainstream community no one is holding their breath and waiting for AMD. If they want a 1080/1070 as soon as they have the funds its purchased.


I hate to say I agree with @guttheslayer on anything but he's right. AMD needs to be bought out by a very large company with fabs (Samsung we're looking at you) to be able to compete with Nvidia or Intel. I've been saying this for over 3 years now. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

If you folks don't understand what a faux competitor is I can't help you, but basically it is when a near monopoly keeps a competitor alive only to keep from being regulated or broken up. That's exactly what Nvidia and Intel are doing right now.
We already have prices like that now. If AMD was a real competitor we'd have 600 dollar performance crown cards not 1200. We'd have Enthusiast CPUs for 800 not 1600.

The problem with anyone buying AMD GPU arm at the moment is, as someone else has said, it's not a growing industry.

Ever since AMD and Intel started putting integrated solutions on their CPU's the financial reasons to buy a discrete videocard company has been going down the tube.

Basically Nvidia is in an ideal scenario to create profit and although it generates 200-250million in net profit, more than half of that comes from their professional solutions(not revenue but profit).

The consumer driven discrete market is more there to create the cashflow so Nvidia can spend more on R and D.

And this is what makes it difficult for anyone to buy AMD. The consumer market is a shrinking market and thus, the ability to get a return on investment is near impossible. This is because you have to throw a couple billions on R and D for AMD to catch up to Nvidia, hundreds of million on marketing, hundreds of million more beefing up their staff and support on top of the buying cost of AMD graphic division.

Right now, AMD Pseudo advantage is their directx 12 support, but Nvidia has closed that gap mostly when you normalize the die size and transistor count. As far as Pascal vs polaris goes as an architecture, you basically have the same performance in directx 12, but this big gap in directx 11. With Nvidia holding their cards back compared to AMD as far as clocks go, Nvidia's tech advantage long with their brand strength make it a very AMD vs Intel situation. Smaller scale, but much smaller rewards as well. This story is repeated with Intel but adding another zero do those costs.

Add in the Discrete GPU industry might be only good for 5 more years and you just don't want to do it. The chance of failure is higher than the chance of success. Because of AMD competitors, no one sniffed at buying AMD, even when their market capitalization was less than 2 billion dollars. You basically spend 3 billion dollars on buying the company, absorb 2.5 billion on debt and have to spend 10 billion more on R and D, and billions on marketing, just to have a chance to compete with Nvidia and Intel.
post #306 of 435
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Originally Posted by DisgruntldTek37 View Post

I think Ryan Is referring to Zen - http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Zen-Architecture-and-Performance-Preview

You are most likely right considering his Zen article came after that tweet thumb.gif
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In the Enthusiast community it might work once in a while (but rarely) In the mainstream community no one is holding their breath and waiting for AMD. If they want a 1080/1070 as soon as they have the funds its purchased.


I hate to say I agree with @guttheslayer on anything but he's right. AMD needs to be bought out by a very large company with fabs (Samsung we're looking at you) to be able to compete with Nvidia or Intel. I've been saying this for over 3 years now. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

If you folks don't understand what a faux competitor is I can't help you, but basically it is when a near monopoly keeps a competitor alive only to keep from being regulated or broken up. That's exactly what Nvidia and Intel are doing right now.
We already have prices like that now. If AMD was a real competitor we'd have 600 dollar performance crown cards not 1200. We'd have Enthusiast CPUs for 800 not 1600.

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I couldn't stop myself from agreeing with you.


And you know the REAL sick part of this situation?

It could be rectified if people supported AMD where they are viable. Instead we have a zillion rabid brand fanboys that cry anytime someone even mentions buying an AMD product. It is sad really.
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And you know the REAL sick part of this situation?

It could be rectified if people supported AMD where they are viable. Instead we have a zillion rabid brand fanboys that cry anytime someone even mentions buying an AMD product. It is sad really.

Well, AMD put themselves in this position and it is their job to get out of it. Not that many people would support them "for the sake of"
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And you know the REAL sick part of this situation?

It could be rectified if people supported AMD where they are viable. Instead we have a zillion rabid brand fanboys that cry anytime someone even mentions buying an AMD product. It is sad really.

Sad It is true, this is why users now need to understand the software part more than ever. They need to question themselves if a specific CPU is not doing great in Cinebench, will it also not do great in anywhere else ? Like you know that AMD FX 6xxx/8xxx are doing great in many new generation DX11/DX12 games when compared to Sb/Ivy/Haswell i5s and i7s in perf/$ but FXs are very slower in Cinebench if we compare it to those i5s/i7s. What if you never use Cinebench and all you will be doing is play those new games ? Would FX still be a failure everywhere ? No, it is not. There are countless examples like this which we can't discuss all about in here that AMD CPUs have never been bad if you wanted best perf/$ for most of the general work. Not just general stuff, there are professional apps and alternatives of virtually everything where you could literally save significant amount of money by buying an AMD CPU and get the best perf/$.

Same goes for GPUs, For example in Skyrim, I just can't tell any difference between Ultra and High Shadow at all, while I was getting 77 fps with ultra shadow, now I am getting 99 fps with High Settings, 29% fps boost without any noticeable difference in graphics (On 1080p and every other settings are at max with 8xMSAA), if I reduce MSAA to 4x, my fps even boost to 109 this time, so it is now 41% more fps and still no noticeable difference in graphics. You can buy a 150-200$ card and play all games at perfectly smooth fps ~55-70 fps with custom settings and you can still set the best settings for best graphics and performance. Online reviews and benches are mostly with ultra settings always and in the real world we've already known anything more than medium/high to ultra doesn't bring that much eye candy in most cases and fps cost can be extremely taxing, and I don't know why we have online reviewers who do a full Shadow of Mordor Ultra HD 2K 5K test on AMD Radeon RX 460, a $149 card ? I mean seriously...... what the heck ?
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I don't know fellas....I think he was definitely talking about Zen. His article is practically gushing...
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What you really want to know is clear: can Zen make Intel work again? Can Zen make that $1700 price tag on the Broadwell-E 6950X seem even more ludicrous? Yes.

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By far the most impressive claim from AMD thus far was that of a 40% increase in IPC over previous AMD designs. That’s a HUGE claim and is key to the success or failure of Zen. AMD proved to me today that the claims are real and that we will see the immediate impact of that architecture bump from day one.

Putting that article and his tweet together....I'm pretty sure it's all about Zen and if so, that's encouraging. Shrout is definitely NOT an AMD shill.
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