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Wouldn't going back to the last driver that worked help ?
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

It is impossible to not notice this problem.
Stuttering video playback, stuttering audio playback, huge frame time spikes that lead to huge fps drops (like 140 fps to 2 fps), and some audio devices randomly stop working.

These spikes happen every couple of minutes and last for a few seconds. When they last longer than a few seconds I tend to lose my microphone on my headset and have to disable it and then enable it to make it work again. There are some work arounds that improve the situation but they don't resolve the problem. If I remove the 1070 and install my old GTX 570 in the system the problem goes away.

Ahh ok the issue the 10 series are facing right now.
 
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Wouldn't going back to the last driver that worked help ?

It should have helped but it didn't. I can't get it back to where it was. I even tried using system restore with no success.
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our $1500 card has 4GB vram BUT you can downclock it in 2D mode so pros outweigh cons
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I mean, at least it wasn't the Titan Z.

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AMD never had the level of optimization of NVIDIA concerning their graphic cards, which led to better red hardware being on the same level than worse green hardware.

Better hardware meant greater production price, and worse margin.

It's better to believe that they take their time to not be played by the market, but release a product they actually can gain profit on, and is worth buying.

I don't see the problem with NVIDIA having the current lead in high performance market. Market takes time to renew their card, they do not all buy at the same time, and market doesn't globally buy 400+€/$ cards..

The more they wait, the more DX12/Vulkan games out. The more they'll have a decent gain against NVIDIA.
Never is a really strong word. It's really only been since GCN that they've had optimization issues. During the HD4xxx an HD5xxx era, AMD was competing easily with nvidia while using much smaller dies that consumed a lot less power.
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Never is a really strong word. It's really only been since GCN that they've had optimization issues. During the HD4xxx an HD5xxx era, AMD was competing easily with nvidia while using much smaller dies that consumed a lot less power.

Because GCN isn't optimized for Dx11 sadly. The optimization for Dx12 is perfect though thumb.gif
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Maybe once they teach intel how to play benchmarks, they will learn how to actually implement features on hardware instead of drivers. then maybe we'll have full dx12 gpu from nvidia.

but they are too busy teaching intel the way it's meant to be played while only having 3% of market. lachen.gif
That was a really sad comeback by Intel. If NVidia keeps up, that 97% market is going to drop like a stone. These niche markets are much more volatile.
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Isn't that the place where Hoffa is buried confused.gif

One of them.
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Originally Posted by EightDee8D View Post

980ti vs furyx, i believe amd had less margin because furyx had hbm and clc, compared to normal cooler and gddr5 on 980ti.

AMD gets margin with Fiji on the entire assembly, rather than just the GPU, so they are probably making more per card than normal.

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On another front, I think people are misjudging what a 4096SP GCN4 card would do with 512GB/s+ bandwidth.

Polaris 10 is heavily bottlenecked by its memory bandwidth. I overclocked the memory on my RX 480 and received linear performance gains until the memory errors took over at 2225Mhz+:




That's 2304 SPs and 32 ROPs being fed with 8 GDDR5 chips.

77% more SPs and double the ROPs can be fed with just TWO (2) HBM2 modules, and a 2048-bit bus... or with a 320-bit GDDR5x bus and 7Ghz modules, if my math is right tongue.gif

HBM2 is more expensive, but the ability to only use two modules per GPU while having more simple PCBs - and the aforementioned net profit benefits for AMD - make this a very workable solution... possibly even better than a 320 or larger GDDR5x bus... not to mention AMD already has the tech and supply chain for HBM... and "kind of" created it thumb.gif Not quite sure when it will be available for use in a mass-produced product, though...

Add 20% for the faster clock-speeds you would expect from Vega, 15% or so unleashed from GCN4 (when it's not memory bottlenecked) and you're closing in on 40% faster than Fury X. That's already quite close to the 1080's performance level. If AMD has done more improvements to help scaling or utilization, then they will likely be head to head with 1080 using a 4096SP Vega.

The next thing is the power usage - it'll not be particularly thirsty. P10 @ 1.2Ghz is 110W TDP... due to factory over-volting, mostly. 77% more SPs, double the ROPs, but swap out the memory controllers for HBM controllers and you end up with about a 175~200W TDP GPU. With the two HBM2 modules only using single-digit watts each, we'll just call it 10W for good measure. So, 185W to 210W. VRMs are only 85% efficient, ish, which moves us into the 225W to 250W region for the whole card, while providing 1080 levels of performance. Assuming AMD doesn't do better with the voltage and doesn't make any other efficiency improvements. That's pretty decent, IMHO.
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The next thing is the power usage - it'll not be particularly thirsty. P10 @ 1.2Ghz is 110W TDP

If Polaris 10 is rx480 then I don't know where you're getting 110W confused.gif If you get twice the ROP count and 77% more shaders from 170W rx480 I can't possibly imagine how Vega will not be power thirsty.


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